Replacing The J-Gate Bulbs

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Replacing The J-Gate Bulbs

Postby Andy P » Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:03 pm

When I first acquired my car the J-Gate did not illuminate and although not a critical issue I found it annoying,probably because I do a lot of night time driving and the console looked quite dark,so decided to address the problem.
So if you have one (or both) of the bulbs gone,while fiddly to get the actual circuit board out of the J-Gate it's not impossible to do so, you just have to take your time and be careful.
The bulbs are soldered into the circuit board and they are 12V 50mA incandescent bulbs.

When you start to disassemble your J-Gate, first you need to unscrew the gear knob with your hand.
Hold the base nut using a 5/8 inch spanner,and then the knob will unscrew.
I found that leaving the gear lever in P when removing the J-Gate assembly makes it easier to remove the assembly and since it's locked by the solenoid, the chance you'll damage the tiny micro switches is minimised.
Unsrew the blanking plug(I used a large flat head screw driver).
Now remove the leather cover,I found if you lift it from the top first and then get it clear of the sport and cruise control buttons and lift over the lever.
Now unscrew the 2 bronze-coloured nuts at the top and 2 bronze-coloured bolts(all 7mm) at the bottom and then unplug the electrical connectors from the sport and cruise buttons,this allows you to remove the black plastic trim.
Now you can remove the ski slope by lifting gently from the bottom and then it pulls down from above the climate control unit.
Now you can see the 4 cross head screws that hold the J-Gate in place,undo them(I always use a magnetic screw driver for jobs like these,dropped too many in the past :lol: )and then lift over the lever.
Make a point of noting how the cables are routed so you can put them back in the same place.
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Looking at the back of the J-Gate
The yellow arrow points to the plastic bracket with the micro switch and the red arrows are pointing to the push in clips that keep the bracket in place.
Using a small flat head screw driver prize off the plastic bracket with the micro switch on(it just unclips)this will give you more manoeuvrability with the actual J-Gate.
If you can undo the electrical connector on the left side of the J-Gate(it's the same connector as is used for the phone connection in the rear of the console) you can remove it from the car,unfortunately my large fingers would not allow me to do this as it is tucked away down the side so I opted to do this with the J-Gate still in the car.
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Plastic disc on the back of the J-Gate

Red arrow points to the single torx screw that holds the disc in place and the yellow arrow points to the little screw that keeps the top cover on along with 2 more torx screws underneath the disc.
Undo the torx screw(T10 I think)that holds the round disc in place and remove the disc.
Now you can see 2 more torx screws undo these and the very small screw at the bottom of the J-Gate and the cover will unclip,now you can see the circuit board and it will slide out through the top of the J-Gate.
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J-Gate circuit board
The bulbs are clear with blue covers on which do come off so you can use them on your new bulbs.
Using a small point soldering iron just heat up the solder at the back of the bulb and pull gently at the same time and it will slide out and then solder the new bulbs in and trim off the excess wire afterwards.
Put the blue covers back on and then reassemble the J-Gate and your done.
When you come to put the black disc and plastic bracket with the micro switch on it back in I found it better to put the bracket back on first(it just clips in) and then the disc.
Also when I first saw the circuit board I thought the plastic bracket with all the wires going into it was a connector and tried to unclip it,to my horror I found out that it is not and broke some of the connections but was lucky enough to be able to solder them back in(Pheww!)
In the second post there are some more photo's.
Hope this encourages you if your J-Gate does not illuminate and you wish to repair it.
Hope you all enjoy your X308's as much as I do,they truly are a magnificent car :D
Andy 8)
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Re: Replacing The J-Gate Bulbs

Postby Andy P » Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:29 pm

Just thought I would clarify that warm blue back lights come on with the rest of the back lights in the car and illuminate the whole J-Gate when lights are switched on.The gear position indicators are red LEDs which will light up as the gear lever is moved to another position.
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12V 50mA incandescent bulb
This is what the bulb looks like,I had trouble sourcing them and in the end had to buy a 100 of them so If you can't find any I will be happy to supply you with a couple.
Tried Maplins totally useless did not have a clue but did buy the soldering station from them.
Thanks to RichardSel for supplying this link for the bulbs.
https://www.maplin.co.uk/p/12v-wire-terminal-type-bt43w
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Soldering Station
This is what my J-Gate looks like with the new bulbs,so much better.
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Illuminated J-Gate
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It's not that hard of a job to do (like anything else, if you have the right tools it helps big time) but it does require being careful and being precise about doing it right.
Also while I had it all apart I gave it a thorough clean in that area.
Take Care
Andy 8)
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Re: Replacing The J-Gate Bulbs

Postby Orkney » Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:04 pm

That's a great write up Andy - surely one for the magazine? Although my bulbs are OK do you know the whereabouts of the micro switches involved in the J gate movements? The reason for my question is that I can occasionally invoke the 'restricted performance' message when moving from D to 4 across the gate and I happen to like using the box in gears other than D when on the twisty bits. It never occurs with any other lever movement.

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Re: Replacing The J-Gate Bulbs

Postby RichardSEL » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:12 am

Maplin's code BT43W sold singly £1.39 ea at:
http//www.maplin.co.uk/p/12v-wire-terminal-type-bt43w

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Re: Replacing The J-Gate Bulbs

Postby Andy P » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:28 pm

Although my bulbs are OK do you know the whereabouts of the micro switches involved in the J gate movements?
Ian
Hi Ian,
The micro switches are on the right side of the J-Gate frame and are depressed when the lever is in "P" or "N".
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Micro Switches (red arrows)
You can see them in the photo(red arrows).I don't think that would be the cause of your problem because moving from "D" to "4" would not involve the operation of those two micro switches only the one on the plastic bracket I think.
Have taken exert from X308 Manual for you.
Range Selection:
The selector lever is connected to the transmission via a bowden cable, which operates the transmission selector shaft
between all positions except Drive to 4 .
The TCM detects the gear selected by means of a rotary position switch fitted to the transmission selector shaft. A separate
Drive to 4 switch is located within the 'J' gate' assembly.
Movement of the selector lever between Park, Reverse, Neutral and Drive manually directs the flow of transmission oil; the
TCM having control of the forward gears selected while the lever is in the Drive position.
Operation
• NOTE: The rotary position switch is NOT adjustable.
The position of the gear selector lever is detected by the range sensor; a system which consists of two sensors (switch
systems).
1. 1. The rotary position switch, which is located on the RH side of the transmission case and is coaxial with the
selector shaft.
2. 2. The D to 4 (micro) switch, which is mounted in the 'J gate' assembly.
When the selector is moved across the gate to engage 4, or back from that side towards D the selector cable does not
move. In order that this change of state be registered by the TCM the D to 4 switch is incorporated.
The rotary switch in isolation provides a 4-bit code, which, when added to the D to 4 switch becomes a 5-bit code. The TCM
will make a failure judgement if it detects an 'illegal' code.

So that could be the culprit but not sure.
A bit in depth I know but it might help.
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Re: Replacing The J-Gate Bulbs

Postby Andy P » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:38 pm

Maplin's code BT43W sold singly £1.39 ea at:
Thanks Richard,why couldn't they look that up in the shop,I gave them exactly the same info as you got from my post but just got a blank look.
Shame,as I like Maplins,they do some useful stuff,hopefully just a one off.
Thanks for the link.
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Re: Replacing The J-Gate Bulbs

Postby Orkney » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:56 pm

Hi Andy,
Many thanks for the detailed info - food for thought certainly. Yes, it sounds like the four bit code and single bit from the switch are occasionally at odds. As always with these problems it's intermittent so tracking it down might prove a challenge. It seems worse when I haven't used the D - 4 change for a while even with regular use of the car. The RP message comes on when the lever is moved to 4 but disappears when moved back to D, although performance is still restricted until the next re-start. No codes stored on one transient fault.

Anyway, thanks again, I might wait till the winter layup to investigate but that in itself might hide the truth.

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Re: Replacing The J-Gate Bulbs

Postby RichardSEL » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:19 am

Microswitch contacts have oxidised -- Spring could've weakened or shifted -- plastic stops do break off too.
Nothing for it but to change them to fix or at least eliminate

@Andy -- did a year at Forest Hill. As a hangover from when the two ex-P O engineers started Maplin Electronics they
stipulated that sales staff should be electronic component knowledgeable. Course, in them thar days branches were usually packed -- you couldn't move in Forest Hill on a Saturday. Nowadays it's kids on work experience / short term contract. Pay peanuts and... :cry:
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Re: Replacing The J-Gate Bulbs

Postby Orkney » Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:13 pm

Hi Richard,
Thanks for the info - yes, switch replacement is on the cards, but plastic pegs might not be, as it's an intermittent fault and has only occurred twice in the last couple of thousand miles and many gear changes across the gate. There was a time when I could almost guarantee it happening at will, a year or so back but like most folk I would like to get to the root cause. We all know it will happen again sometime, probably when I'm just about to tackle the Berriedale Braes on the A9 near Helmsdale with an Artic behind me on the uphill bit and no chance to pull up for a re-start!

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