My Transmission has now been removed.............

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My Transmission has now been removed.............

Postby Brakebuster » Sun Dec 28, 2014 1:41 pm

there are a few threads covering my progress to date, but i thought i would homologate them into this one with a better title

around Easter i fully stripped and rebuilt a 3 speed GM400 auto gearbox for my 1989 V12 XJS

this was extensively covered on this site and shouldn't be hard to find, and at the beginning of December i SORN's the XJS , got her up on jacks etc and started the removal process of my faulty gearbox, this has been covered in another thread, but not easy to find , so to surmise below

car is now 1 mtr in the air on axle stands and ramps with several other axle stands ready to ' catch ' if required, rather that than be squashed :?

so with the car in the air, the front wheels are off , everything looks really good with some very minor bits to paint black to keep on top of things

the full exhaust system has been removed from the collector pipes backwards, the heat shield is out from under the middle and the prop shaft has been undone from the diff end ,

next will be to support the gearbox, and remove the gearbox mount, then the prop shaft will come out, i have a brand new prop shaft from jaguar to refit 8)

then remove all attachments to the gearbox ( vac pipe , kick down switch connector, selector cable and fill pipe tube along with the oil cooler pipe connections ,

then the front torque converter cover to allow access to the flywheel attachment bolts ,

only spending a couple of hours each evening taking it slowly and methodically

so , i now have the sensor and sensor mounting plate ( marelli ) removed from in front of the gearbox

the gear selector cable, the kick down switch connection , a heat shield , module vac pipe and drained the transmission fluid and removed all of the sump bolts , to allow the maximum amount of fluid to drain...

the transmission cooler pipes need to be undone from the box ,

next will be to remove the starter motor and get a jack under the gearbox ( with sump refitted ) and remove the gearbox support , i will also have to place a jack or axle stand under the back of the engine to stop it rocking backwards once the gearbox mount is removed

getting there slowly


gearbox is now supported on a low scissor gearbox jack, and the engine is supported on a beam ,

the rear gearbox support has been removed , and then the prop shaft ,
the starter motor is out and the bolts for the torque converter have been removed using a 15mm socket on a short knuckle bar and turning the fly wheel with a large screwdriver on the teeth against the case , very fiddly and time consuming.....

talking of the starter motor, as she is a 1989 car she has as standard the gear reduction starter motor fitted, the top bolt is different from the bottom bolt, and you need a 12 point 7/16 socket to be able to remove it , while on your back, looking over the gearbox in a cold garage, still, its cheaper than paying someone else to get cold doing the work.....


one thing i did find to my horror was the rear gearbox to prop shaft flange bolts were all loose !! , there are nylon nuts on each bolt , but each bolt was not tight by 1mm or so , resulting in a sloppy fitting prop shaft that would knock when picking up the drive , especially reverse, but worse than that the fixing bolt holes have become elongated ( by 1mm or slightly less ) rendering the flanges useless, luckily i have a brand new prop shaft, and my rebuilt transmission has a perfectly good flange plate , so no panics , but i will need four new bolts , and they are a fiver each....ah well

all thats left now is to remove the gearbox to engine block bolts and remove from the car

and today i have successfully removed the gearbox from the engine and out from under the car

this went fairly easy but did have a few fiddly bits to contend with , firstly the top oil cooler pipe, the dip stick gets in the way , but is a pig to get to the fixings and pull from the sump , that provided better access to the top cooler union which thankfully came undone very easily , then i was onto the bell housing bolts holding the transmission to the block

there are 8 bolts, all 9/16 , i had to use every 3/8 extension bar i could find to make a tool around 1mtr long, pass this over the whole length of the transmission and use the ' force ' to locate the bolt head and undo each one blind, took about 45 mins, the transmission was supported on a scissor jack and strapped to it for safety , the bell housing was then wiggled away from the block with a gentle pry , and off the locating pegs she popped, and a controlled lowering to the ground on the jack

thats that stage done, i will take some pics later but not a lot to show and its very tight down there for working

on the whole i am very pleased with the way it has gone so far, very little corrosion ( nothing really ) to deal with and other than the loose drive plate flange no damage either, so a quick clean up and the replacement box should pop in without trouble , but with a big dose of the force to find the bolt holes, lol

wish me luck

BB
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Re: My Transmission has now been removed.............

Postby Brakebuster » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:29 pm

small update

I have been quite ill over the new year, and didn't touch the car for 8 days ,
now I'm feeling a bit better and a raft load of tests booked with the doctor I tackled the task in hand

firstly I primed the torque converter with some fresh Dexron III , and with the rebuilt transmission on the transmission jack and strapped down and under the cars trans tunnel I placed the torque converter over the gear stubs , I had a quick look as to the orientation of the peg drive and pushed it home, a quarter turn and the pegs located and the torque converter pushed all the way home

then with some jiggling around I got the transmission offered up to the back of the engine, getting the dowel pins lined up , and pushed it home, the first time was about half a hole out, so a little more jiggling and on she went with a nice thud

I then got a few transmission bell housing bolts turned in just to hold it in place, and I also turned over the torque converter and started the first bolt to the flex plate

I will button it all up tomorrow and get the new prop shaft ( stall available from jag for the V12 ) bolted up ready to install the rear mounting plate

getting there....

BB
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Re: My Transmission has now been removed.............

Postby J44EAG » Fri Jan 09, 2015 7:27 pm

Easy does it, Vince.

Don`t over do it and remember there is always tomorrow....

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Re: My Transmission has now been removed.............

Postby Brakebuster » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:24 pm

another quick update

the box is now fully bolted to the engine , the torque converter is fully bolted to the flex plate , and the starter motor has been refitted , the new prop shaft has been fitted both ends with new bolts due to damage to the old ones , the front cover plate holding the cranking sensor is fitted along with the sensor , the gear selector has been refitted as has the kick down switch , the rear gearbox tunnel plate has been fitted along with some heat shields and a new chrome finned gearbox sump with ' TURBO 400 ' pressed into it

the prop can be rotated from the gearbox with it in neutral , the diff flange can't be rotated as the back wheels are sitting on the ramps ,so you have to line up the bolts that way , they are not square, there is a long and short side of bolt pattern

i have now refitted the gearbox rear spring setup with some deft jacking and positioning, so the replacement gearbox is now fully installed with the gearbox jack support removed and the engine support beam removed ,

just got a bit of buttoning up to do with some vac pipes and a newly painted torque converter lower cover plate ,

still got to replace a stud on the exhaust manifold and install my new straight through sports pipes

BB :mrgreen:
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Re: My Transmission has now been removed.............

Postby Brakebuster » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:03 pm

so,

the gearbox is now fully installed and everything has been replaced that was around it along with a new stainless exhaust middle box bypass

a few pictures to add to this thread , but taking them was a pain as its dirty heavy work lying on the floor , that's why there arnt a huge amount of step by step pics :?

this is how I supported the engine while doing the work
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878 by MyPix on Talk Photography

the foam is to protect the car should it want to drop when setting everything up , and I left it there to protect the wing channels and the windscreen , belts n braces....

exhaust and propeller shaft removed from the rear cage
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882 by MyPix on Talk Photography

gearbox finally removed and strapped to the gearbox jack and pulled away from the flywheel
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883 by MyPix on Talk Photography

a bit more detail
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885 by MyPix on Talk Photography

replacement gearbox that I rebuilt earlier....
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4033 by MyPix on Talk Photography

and hey presto , its all back in place, easy as that..........
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900 by MyPix on Talk Photography

nice chrome gearbox sump and all new ancillaries fitted,

a shot of the new pipes
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903 by MyPix on Talk Photography

just got to add some transmission fluid tonight , clear some space and lower the car back to the ground before I turn her over and prime the gearbox before use

BB 8)
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Re: My Transmission has now been removed.............

Postby davidr » Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:56 pm

Well done BB. Top work!!
Nice pair of centre pipes. Wish I had a pair but someone beat me to them on eBay!!
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Re: My Transmission has now been removed.............

Postby Brakebuster » Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:29 pm

:lol:

havnt driven it yet................................................. :shock:



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Re: My Transmission has now been removed.............

Postby Phil 18 » Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:31 pm

Vince

Looking good, well done I will keep my ear out by Eastern, Avenue for the sound of white lightening V12 XJS wipping by.

Sorry I can not make the breakfast meet on Saturday,


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back on all 4 wheel after 10 weeks work

Postby Brakebuster » Sun Feb 08, 2015 11:22 pm

as of tonight, i have ' finished ' working on the car , replacing the three speed auto box in my 89 XJS

i have also done some other minor repairs and upgrades while under there

i have now just got to fire up the engine tomorrow night , prime the gearbox and cycle the gears and see if i have any nasty noises

keep your fingers crossed for me :shock:

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Re: My Transmission has now been removed.............

Postby rod3751 » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:07 pm

Everything is crossed for you. Haven't heard any bangs, crashes, grating or choice language so far here in Quedgely, so hope all is going to plan for you?
The Pics are very good and you have made the job process sound very organised. It can't have been easy in this cold weather on your own and flat on your back. Must be very satisfying. Good job sir.
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Re: My Transmission has now been removed.............

Postby Brakebuster » Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:34 pm

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


well , as of tonight i have a working XJS again :mrgreen:

was a little concerned there for a little while, as i thought i had put enough fluid in , but it turned out that wasn't the case

so with a fully charged battery and the car sat on its own four wheels and everything moved out of the way incase she lurched forward or backwards i sat in the drivers seat and turned the ignition key to position two

the fuel pump primed and nothing went bang, turned the key to start the car and she sprang into life , and.......
..........................................................she ran , and purred like a fully grown Jaguar sleeping.............. 8) 8)

i did hear a whoosh, gurgle whoosh , i think that was the gearbox pump sending new fluid round the oil cooler and system ,

next , with my foot hard on the brake and the handbrake applied i cycled the shifter through its positions, from park to reverse.....nothning , reverse to neutral....nothing , no sounds no surge no bump , nothing, went into drive , first and second, and waited a few seconds between , nothing , i then tried it in drive and lifting my foot off the brake, nothing.....hmm i thought , i wonder if there is enough transmission fluid in there :?:

so , i turned off the engine, and pulled the transmission dip stick , sure enough , it wasn't even on the bottom of the marker

two litres later it was on the minimum for cold,

back in the car i turned her over agin and she sprang to life ( by the way the new induction boxes and exhaust sound good :wink: )

and i again cycled the shifter , this time i got a positive feel and feedback with a gentle thump , each position intern provided the same reassuring sound and the engine revs went up and down accordingly , the gearbox was being seen by the engine, good news

then , i thought i would try moving the car

put it in drive and cautiously took my foot off the brake , the car started to gently creep forward, applied the brake and put it in reverse, again the car gently moved backwards without sounding like a bag of spanners, in fact i was very surprised at the lack of noise after living with my noisy gearbox for two years

got the car to temp , and then turned her off , checked the dipstick and she was just short of the hot mark ,

tomorrow i will get her up to temp again and check the level when running as is advised


i am gobsmacked that it works , lol

BB


ps, thanks for all the positive vibes from everyone, it definitely ( formerly defiantly ) helped me 8) 8)
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Re: My Transmission has now been removed.............

Postby davidr » Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:39 pm

Yay!!! Success!! Well done! :D :D :D

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Re: My Transmission has now been removed.............

Postby ptjs1 » Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:32 pm

BB,

Great news! Well done, yet again! And really pleased that we've been able to defiantly help you!

Cheers

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Re: My Transmission has now been removed.............

Postby Brakebuster » Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:41 pm

bloody auto-spell , lol

not bad for a dyslexic though ,

but sometimes i don't see these things when reading back........ and I must read back everything at least ten times before I hit ' submit ' :roll:



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Re: My Transmission has now been removed.............

Postby J44EAG » Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:26 pm

Brilliant new, Vince.

You worked hard on that transmission. A daunting task in itself. Look forward to hearing how the car drives.

Very well done.

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