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Call me a sceptic, but if a device returned such amazing fuel economy every manufacturer in the world would be fitting them. and it would be blazed over the front of every paper and motoring magazine in the world.
I'm more than prepared to eat all my hats if the club does an independent test and proves me wrong....... just line up the ketchup
Red-One
July 2010 Magazine de Verde fuel saving device.
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July 2010 Magazine de Verde fuel saving device.
I agree. If savings like that were as easily possible every manufacturer would be fitting the device.
Similar claims have been made for producing hydrogen from water and using it as a fuel. They nearly always fail to take into account the energy required to electrolyse the water or miscalculate it, or are completely fraudulent :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Me ... _fuel_cell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car
The idea that squirting hydrogen into the air intake would have any benefit is highly questionable and the statement that 'emissions are reduced to zero' beggars belief. Are people really that gullible?
They even claim it works on a diesel. How compression ignition of hydrogen fuel would work is an interesting proposition.
Similar claims have been made for producing hydrogen from water and using it as a fuel. They nearly always fail to take into account the energy required to electrolyse the water or miscalculate it, or are completely fraudulent :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Me ... _fuel_cell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car
The idea that squirting hydrogen into the air intake would have any benefit is highly questionable and the statement that 'emissions are reduced to zero' beggars belief. Are people really that gullible?
They even claim it works on a diesel. How compression ignition of hydrogen fuel would work is an interesting proposition.
Al McL
'93 XJS 4.0 - '20 XF 2.0 Sportbrake
'93 XJS 4.0 - '20 XF 2.0 Sportbrake
July 2010 Magazine de Verde fuel saving device.
No what you really need to do is put a ring of magnets around your fuel pipe 
That really increses your mpg honest 
That really increses your mpg honest July 2010 Magazine de Verde fuel saving device.
Hope we are all wrong and that soon we shall all be purring along doing the South of France on 4 gallons of petrol and an inexpensive gadget full of water. Sadly I am old enough to remember several of these stories over the years in various forms, including numerous efforts to sell us water injection, but I am still spending £1.20 a litre on Super V. Has such a fantastic device missed the major media this time, and if so why?. Now the JEC have tuned in they will have to follow through with it. I am seeing Jenkins tomorrow so will see what his opinion is.
1994 Coupe AJ6 engine
July 2010 Magazine de Verde fuel saving device.
Most of our minds seem to think in similar fashion. My reaction was the same as Red-one!
They claim a motorway economy of a 4 litre V8 S-type of 40mpg. If that IS the case, I`ll buy one!!
V6 unmodified, used to do about 29 mpg at 70mph. My chipped, filtered and exhaust moded V8 does 26mpg at 70mpg. I`d eat my old socks for tea if I thought such a unit might give me 40mpg. That would be a fuel consumption decrease of around 50%. That hydrogen content would have to make a hell of a combustion bang to be able to enable me to lift my throttle foot and thereby pulse the injectors slower. Mmnn, not convinced unless someone could convince me otherwise.
The acid indipendent test would be for the manufacturers to supply me with a unit to strap on J44EAG. I could then report what I found via the S-type Forum! Some hope but I might be cheaky enough to suggest the idea.
Mike
They claim a motorway economy of a 4 litre V8 S-type of 40mpg. If that IS the case, I`ll buy one!!
V6 unmodified, used to do about 29 mpg at 70mph. My chipped, filtered and exhaust moded V8 does 26mpg at 70mpg. I`d eat my old socks for tea if I thought such a unit might give me 40mpg. That would be a fuel consumption decrease of around 50%. That hydrogen content would have to make a hell of a combustion bang to be able to enable me to lift my throttle foot and thereby pulse the injectors slower. Mmnn, not convinced unless someone could convince me otherwise.
The acid indipendent test would be for the manufacturers to supply me with a unit to strap on J44EAG. I could then report what I found via the S-type Forum! Some hope but I might be cheaky enough to suggest the idea.
Mike
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Brakebuster
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July 2010 Magazine de Verde fuel saving device.
is the magazine a late April edition ?
BB
BB
1989 5.3ltr V12 XJS Coupé FULLY RESTORED
2015 2.2TD Sportbrake in BRG and black leather
1994 3.2S XJ40 in Morocco Red with Doeskin interior
old cars
1999 4ltr Sovereign XJ8
2004 X-Type
2015 2.2TD Sportbrake in BRG and black leather
1994 3.2S XJ40 in Morocco Red with Doeskin interior
old cars
1999 4ltr Sovereign XJ8
2004 X-Type
July 2010 Magazine de Verde fuel saving device.
July 2010 Vol 26 No 7
Received a couple of days ago.
Article is on page 82
No prices mentioned, but I searched the web and for a 4 litre car its about £700 not sure if this includes fitting
I will try and find the ref again and post it
Received a couple of days ago.
Article is on page 82
No prices mentioned, but I searched the web and for a 4 litre car its about £700 not sure if this includes fitting
I will try and find the ref again and post it
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Brakebuster
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Re: July 2010 Magazine de Verde fuel saving device.
July 2010 Vol 26 No 7
Received a couple of days ago.
Article is on page 82
No prices mentioned, but I searched the web and for a 4 litre car its about £700 not sure if this includes fitting
I will try and find the ref again and post it
erm........i was joking, as in April fool
i have the mag ,
and to be honest, even in my V12 , £700 goes a long way in fuel , so i will leave her original , lol
BB
Received a couple of days ago.
Article is on page 82
No prices mentioned, but I searched the web and for a 4 litre car its about £700 not sure if this includes fitting
I will try and find the ref again and post it
erm........i was joking, as in April fool
i have the mag ,
and to be honest, even in my V12 , £700 goes a long way in fuel , so i will leave her original , lol
BB
1989 5.3ltr V12 XJS Coupé FULLY RESTORED
2015 2.2TD Sportbrake in BRG and black leather
1994 3.2S XJ40 in Morocco Red with Doeskin interior
old cars
1999 4ltr Sovereign XJ8
2004 X-Type
2015 2.2TD Sportbrake in BRG and black leather
1994 3.2S XJ40 in Morocco Red with Doeskin interior
old cars
1999 4ltr Sovereign XJ8
2004 X-Type
July 2010 Magazine de Verde fuel saving device.
Does anyone know where the rest of the xjs forum is???? 
In this months mag, i should add.
In this months mag, i should add.
July 2010 Magazine de Verde fuel saving device.
I would love to wright some thing for the mag, but got nothing to say that people would be interested in... I mean.... "went for a run in the X.... got 12 to the gallon".... oh... apart from the near fire i had... 
July 2010 Magazine de Verde fuel saving device.
If something sounds too good to be true, it usually is and at £700 I think I will give this a wide berth!
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petermorjag
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July 2010 Magazine de Verde fuel saving device.
Red-man is nearly right, I telephoned beechdown and asked what is the price and if likely to work on an XJS. They said they thought someone was trying it on an XJS and the cost including fitting is £500 plus vat.
Well as others have said at that rate you can buy a lot of petrol for £500! so I will not be giving it a go, I remeber gadgets in the past that were meant to be good for consumption but they came to nothing.
peter morjag now have 1995 4ltr convertible
Well as others have said at that rate you can buy a lot of petrol for £500! so I will not be giving it a go, I remeber gadgets in the past that were meant to be good for consumption but they came to nothing.
peter morjag now have 1995 4ltr convertible
July 2010 Magazine de Verde fuel saving device.
Did a quick calc - if I do 5000 miles per year at an average of 23 (I can get 28 easily on a long run in my manual but let's say average of 23),my annual fuel bill at current £1.20/Litre is £1,180. If I can get average up to 28 miles / gallon my fuel bill is £964 a saving of £216. This woulsd make a 4 year pay back. If prices continue to rise then it is likely a 3 year pay back is possible. As I intend to keep the car permanently the maths tells me it is worth investigating particularly as I may use the car even more if the cost to run it drops. SO - is this thing possible?
The big question to me is 1) a chemist friend of mine could not work out how you can make the H and then get payback - he thinks the energy required too make the H is going to take awayany potential saving of buring it in the engine? 2) How is it metered into the engine - you are mixing gases with different burn rates etc etc - this must require huge amounts of research and testing?
I do believe H is the way to go - BMW and others have made cars that run on it - we can make it the deserts of the world using the sun and tanker it to fuelling stations - the only reason this is not being done is due to economics I am sure i.e. there is still loads of £ to be made using fossil fuels.
So - I am interested in anything related to H so feel this is worth finding out more. If they have fitted to an XJS I will ask them to provide evidence of how it is performing and we can publish it here. Must be in their interest if this thing really does make a difference and not shorten the life of the car and passengers! I know of systems for example that mix diesel with LPG with fantastic results - a diesel van with the performance of a BMW! I have a friend that is driving one; very impressive, so these things are being done.
it is a bit like nitrous - he flicks a switch and off he goes! This is not an economy measure you understand in this case - purely performance related.
The big question to me is 1) a chemist friend of mine could not work out how you can make the H and then get payback - he thinks the energy required too make the H is going to take awayany potential saving of buring it in the engine? 2) How is it metered into the engine - you are mixing gases with different burn rates etc etc - this must require huge amounts of research and testing?
I do believe H is the way to go - BMW and others have made cars that run on it - we can make it the deserts of the world using the sun and tanker it to fuelling stations - the only reason this is not being done is due to economics I am sure i.e. there is still loads of £ to be made using fossil fuels.
So - I am interested in anything related to H so feel this is worth finding out more. If they have fitted to an XJS I will ask them to provide evidence of how it is performing and we can publish it here. Must be in their interest if this thing really does make a difference and not shorten the life of the car and passengers! I know of systems for example that mix diesel with LPG with fantastic results - a diesel van with the performance of a BMW! I have a friend that is driving one; very impressive, so these things are being done.
it is a bit like nitrous - he flicks a switch and off he goes! This is not an economy measure you understand in this case - purely performance related.
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