Rear Stabiliser Links

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Hello Folks
Does anybody know what the Jaguar Part Number the one I have is C2D5993 for the Rear Stabilizer Links, sometimes referred to as Tie Rod Bars and a cost. I’v had a quote from the main dealer for supply and fit both sides £733.30. following my annual service where the rubber seal is reported as split. The main Dealer cost of parts is £517.20. I’ve also sourced, for the parts, £36.30 inc Vat and a second at £101.60 inc Vat per Rod. The disparity in cost is extrordinary for the same car.
Dave

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I`ve fitted C2D5993 units from British parts. Good enough for the job and never had any problems with them fitted to my S-type.

There are huge disparities in parts cost. You pays your money and takes your choice!

You will need to undo the inner nuts slightly, then cut through the exposed thread with a hacksaw. The threads are deliberately de-pitched so that the nuts won`t come off. I`ve changed a pair of these with the back end of the car on ramps in a boat yard in half an hour. With five spoke Custom rims on the car I didn`t even take the wheels off. Nuts off on the inside, then bolt out of the hub carrier, passed the unit out, set length on new units comparing with old unit lengths, passed new through wheels, nuts and bolts back in, tightened. Job done in less than an hour.

Hope that helps.

Mike

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Thanks Mike
Reassurance is very welcome.
Dave

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Hello Folks
An update

Correction:- stabiliser Link was £51.90p inc Vat per Tie Bar including Delivery and the nuts and bolts were £20.12p inc Vat and Delivery, so a huge
amount cheaper than Jaguar Spares. I already had a Tie Bar in my S-Type spares kit, got 2 in a kit from British Parts last year but only used one in February 18 just before that cars MOT. It turns out they are the same as the XF.
Seems split Gaiters is common to this suspension in S-Types. XF's and XJ's.
Dave

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All S-types after 2002.5, XJ350 and XF share the same suspension wishbones, vertical links and tie rods. Hub carriers may differ across the model ranges. As such, if searching for new or used parts or you find listings for say X350, you may confidently buy with a view to using them say on a 2002.5> S-type. You will though find anything up to about six different part numbers for the same items! ie C2D...., C2P..., XR8... etc

Yes, the gaiters do rot from road contaminate and UV. The clear gaiters seem to rot quicker than the black ones. The gaiters that fair worst are the ones within the hub carrier mount. I put that primarily down to UV degradation. (Nigel can`t spell that word!) Ha,ha!!

On one occasion some of the Pompey boys and I engaged on a mammoth joint suspension overhaul session. We had five cars blocked and chocked in the boat yard with wheels off. Suspensions were ripped out and wishbones given to me as they came off the cars. We didn`t keep them separated or itemized for each car. They just got piled into a marina pontoon trolley and brought down to me on my boat where I had the bench press. The guys wrecked and re-built the cars. My job was to remove the old wishbone bushes and fit new parts. It didn`t matter what model or model year the parts came from. I just "bush bashed" until the box full of pre-ordered Powerflex bushes was exhausted making mobile calls to the wrecking crew to come and get a reconditioned part as it came off the press. Covered in black muck, tired and smiling, we all staggered off to the pub for a well earned guzzle. Each guy had his allocated job to do on each car and the work fired along nicely. Many hands made light work. Pleased to say my XJR got ripped and re-built for me that day as part of the hack.

I still hold two large cardboard boxes full of good used re-usable legs and wishbones. Members used to give them to me at Club meetings if they had fitted new parts. I`d stagger out of the meeting with armfuls of old aluminum parts. Great times. It now means I can re-condition them as required and just tear out old parts and then substitute with new. So much less bother than trying to rip, recondition and rebuild all on the same day.

Mike

Mike

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Hello Folks
Update, Stabiliser links replaced, cost £126.92p for parts from British Car Parts, plus £30 ( a drink), four cups of tea and two ham rolls and One Hour for fitting.Was going to add some photos of splits but can't get it to work. Taking it to Adams and Page, High Wycombe for a "4 Wheel " check, cost about £90 I don't think I need it, my mate Michael is the best mechanic I've ever known, but just to be sure, tyres do cost a lot. All the gators on the ones taken off were perished badly with grease oozing out. All a bit different from £733.30p from the Jaguar Main Dealer
Dave

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Hello Folks
Managed to get the Lap Top working.
Both Rods are showing sign of perishing both ends. car at 90K miles and 9years old.

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Nearly always gone after about seven years or about 75k miles.....sometimes faster dependent on road contaminate and often high UV conditions. Those do look rather a mess!

Mike

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Hello Mike
Yes they are. Why are we Jaguar Enthusiasts when the car are rubbish to say the least. One of my other cars a BMW Mini has done 130k and was 11 years old when I traded it in for another and nothing ever went wrong with it except one item a leaking fuel line worn through after a sloppy service where the idiots didn’t re- attach it following an air filter change to it’s anchor point. Jaguars are clearly made to the cheapest of 3 quotes and Jaguar spare parts and repair prices are well!!!!!
I will need some real convincing to buy another having said that our new Mini will probably see me out so I don’t have to fret about it. When the Jag falls to pieces which odds are will begin soon I’ll just bury it in my yard.
Dave

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One has to look back at the time and the history of the S-type and its brother models.

Under Ford ownership, the company were struggling under the strain of producing new cars of new visual appearance. Ford USA who owned Jaguar had very fixed ideas on what they perceived as a Jaguar appearance. The Ford USA DEW 98 floor pan and all suspension parts derived from the American Lincoln LS model.So that was what Ford had in the parts bin and saved money by using the same chassis as the Lincoln.The decision was right for the time but whether the parts stash was of sufficiently high quality is somewhat difficult to quantify.

What I think we may be discussing here is suspension generally. Typically for the period Boge made the spring dampers and Bilstein the air springs for the X350. Both reputable manufacturers and also used by many of the European car makers. As an aside Denso made the electronics, Mintex supplied brakes, Dunlop, the tyres and so on. I once noted that 149 different parts suppliers provided the necessary components to build the XF. Essentially, Jaguar do not make many of the parts that come together as a Jaguar off the end of the production line.

Jaguar have always been poor producers when it comes to corrosion control. We don`t have to look far back to see XJ40, X300/308, XK, X-type and S-type suffering badly with body and sub-frame issues. That issue as not changed with F-type or its other later models.

We perhaps have a limited view on how well other manufacturers products fair once they hit the fifteen year old mark. What I can recount is seeing a 54 plate Kia Sportage just four years ago when the vehicle was eleven years old. All the door shuts were eaten away and the chassis was as rotten as any bad X300.

One has to ask? Do we expect our cars to last more than fifteen years? Is that too much to ask? Does a manufacturer deliberately ensure his own future by making sure his products disintegrate after a set time period?

Back to the suspension. I regard S-type, X350 and XF as models that need almost complete suspension re-builds after 70k miles. At that point and in my own fifteen year experience of the model, all the rubber parts, ie bushes and gaiters will be on their last legs. Any longer than that and they are on a count down to complete failure. I`ve got around the bush issue by fitting only Powerflex poly-urethane replacement parts but can`t do much about changing to poly type material for ball joint gaiters. Again, whether other manufacturers use higher grade parts is an unknown factor in this debate.

Mike

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Hello Mike
Sad that a car needs major stuff doing to it at 75k in addition to the normal and acceptable servicing. I'm going for a tow car with a 7 year Warranty next, the odds being I won't be driving in about 7years anyway. I've had Jaguars since 1998, 21years but the end of the line is coming soon, next bit that fails on this XF and it goes.
Dave

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Hello Mike et al
Well I've just come back from a couple of days near Tewksbury at a Water Park Caravan site visiting my son and 3 of our grandchildren also there with a caravan towed, although with, a BMW X3. We are towing an Elddis Affinity 554 caravan with the XF 3.0TDI (25mpg Towing), the caravan is 1456kgs MRO (Mass in Running Order) a perfect 85% match for the XF. Absolutely perfect tow. Such a good tow car compared to some I've had, the only comparable was my previous two S-Types, 3.0 SE and 2.7 tdi and SAAB 99's, 3, of them, all used to tow various caravans. It makes it so hard to consider not having a Jaguar and carry on with the tradition set with the founders of SS/Jaguars.
Dave

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Hello Folks
I think I've changed my mind. After reading an article in this month's magazine where it is suggested that the XF is struggling in sales and the SUV's in all it's forms is "supreme", it is likely to be discontinued in favour of the reborn XE in the traditional saloon range, In other words it will become a "niche" car. I quite like that, vis-vie the modern S-Type slammed by the motoring press of the time and now about to become a classic according to some writers. I'm keeping my XF and resurrecting my S-Type from the yard and keep the likes of SNG, David Manners, British Parts Jaguar. Co, and the like, in business.
Interestingly the Jaguar SUV's must be clearly damaging Land Rover sales and point to a financial crisis eventually at JLR perhaps leading to the final demise of JLR. It seems Marketing and Sales have got the upper hand in Jaguar and the management have lost sight of what Jaguar Cars really are, Luxury,Grace and Pace.JLR Management should surely have got the balance right with Jaguar producing the traditional idea of a jaguar and LR producing all the SUV's, utility and luxury. I wonder what statistics show ref sales of Discovery Sport with or without the competition from Jaguar SUV's. Our local village garage is having a "boom" time welding up older Land Rovers to get them through MOT's for surrounding Farmers, say's a lot.
Dave