Well, I finally did it...I sold my trusty X type sport premium estate 2.2d and purchased an Indigo Blue S type XS 2.7d. The X type and I covered 28k miles in 18 months and she behaved faultlessly. Only the massive monthly depreciation forced me to sell her on and I have to say that I do miss her.
But onward and upwards. I have had the "S" for a month now and apart fromthe slightly frightning fuel consumption compared to the "X" I am very pleased with her. The XS body kit and Indigo paint work well together and she is a comfortable cruiser that I use every day for my business. Last week I managed to fall into a very large pothole courtesy of Nottinghamshire Council.
The car started to behave a little strange and fearing that I had disturbed the tracking it went into my local Kwikfit who promptly told me that they did not have the equipment to do it as it was too heavy or too low or the wrong colour or some other silly reason.
I have a little family run garage near me so in it went...As She was being driven onto the ramp the owner called me over to show me something. As the brakes were applied the cars body seemed to carry on moving whilst the front wheels stopped giving the impression that the front wheels were moving backwards. Too both of us, this looked a little strange so a quick inspection came up with the opinion that bushes (link arm I think) needed replacing.
As neither of us were to sure about this I popped into a main dealer for a second opinion. Imagine my surprise when I was told that this is normal and allows for a softer ride. When pulling up to and away from traffic lights a very clear audible thud can be heard and I asked the technician is this was OK. He said yes it was normal for the S type. I took the car back to my local garage to have the tracking done (Did not want to have it done if there were faulty bushes) and the tracking was out. When I collected the car the owner again said that the front wheels did not look right.
Has anyone come across this problem or have any idea if it is in fact a problem or me just being paranoid?
As an S type virgin, I am keen to do right by my car lest it cost me a small or large fortune in the future. I avoid main dealers like the plague as they really are way to expensive. I phoned a local independant Jag specialist and asked about the auto gearbox oil change. I was told to do it no later than 50k miles (car currently has 42k on it and has never had the oil changed) the thing that scared the hell out of me was when he said that sometimes the auto box fails just after having the oil changed. What!!! have I made a big mistake and purchased a lemon??? Can this really be true?
Having just looked at the forum section on owning an S type and read that gearbox oil should be changed every 25k I am now worried to death that it is too late to do it and the oil change will cause a failure that I simply will no be able to afford to correct. Any advice or opinions on this very welcome also any details of a good Jag specialist near to me in Mansfield Notts.
One other slightly annoying thing...The rubber strip at the top of the rear quarterlight on the rear drivers side door keeps popping out. it is obviously worn and will not stay in place. Anyone have any idea what it will cost to fix?
And finally, The XS kit looks really great. However, there are no grills surrounding the front spot lights. The main dealer that told me about the front wheels being normal also told me that my particular type of front valance cannot be fitted with the grills as it was designed to look like an "R". In my opinion, these 2 grills really finish the car off and there ommission is something that I really feel I should rectify. Again, anyone have any ideas if Iam being told a pile of "Do, Do's" here or not.
I will keep you all posted about my initial ownership experience and if you see an Indigo Blue S type reg T13 TBE in or around Mansfield or anywhere else for that matter, give me a flash, I will flash back as we all have to stick together.
One final question, Yes honestly this is the last one. My X type fuel consumption got better as the car got more miles on it. I purchased with 24k and it was doing around 37mpg by the time it had 52k on it she was doing 46+. Do the V6 engines behave the same?
Thanks in advance for your help and advice
Best regards
Iain
New S type owner with a few questions
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Re: New S type owner with a few questions
Welcome to the Forum, Iain.
I think you need to consult an indipendent specialist garage operator regarding the front suspension. It should not be moving around. Damage to the wishbones or bushes may have been sustained. Bushes are replacable. Have the complete assemblies checked over for damage. It is NOT normal for the suspension to visually be seen to move when brakes are applied. The opinion given by the main dealer seems way off the mark to me.
Softer ride? In my opinion and experience.....total rubbish. Damper and spring rates control that. Wishbone bushes control suspension geometry and movement underload. Standard bushes have a minimal influence on ride quality. These guys are telling you a load of toffee.
Front wheels should runn parallel. You need to find someone that knows what he is talking about and able to give an authoritive viewpoint substanciated by fact, not guess work.
Gearbox oil changes are manditory if you wish to avoid failure. See my article in the November 2010 magasine for reasons. Bristol Transmissions recommend oil changes every 24k miles. Talk to Simon Park for best advice.
An old worn, high mileage gearbox that has had no decent oil service previously may fail if the oil is changed. New oil can have a detergent effect. With a low mileage gearbox, oil changes will preserve internal condition. Ignore to 100k miles and the gearbox will be very tired. Oil changing at that time will be a waste of time.
Jaguar say sealed for life. Experience by many of us indicates that is the quickest way to ruin a gearbox. Ignore at your peril. Change your oil now and you should be ok. Take the car direct to a specialist gearbox company for best advice and prices. View also posts on the XK8 and X308 Boards also. The problem is common to all models and you will see a common thread emerge.
Your car has a low mileage. It will not be too late for new oil to have a beneficial effect. Worry not.
Regarding the rubber strip. Perhaps a degrease of affected areas and some super glue may effect a reasonable repair. Otherwise, a couple of hours labour for a strip out and a new seal may be the best option.
Visit the Adamesh site for grill mod parts. There may be something in Geoff`s parts bin which takes your fancy.
Fuel consumption is unlikely to improve much. 35mpg seems to be the norm for an S-type diesel. However, Paramount Performance at Slough, for instance can reflash the ecu for economy or performance. Worth talking to them.
In buying and S-type, you have moved into a higher class of motoring with a larger engine and more weight to cart around. Running expenses will be appreciably higher than an X-type. The bigger the engine, the more fuel used.
Read also Barry Wilkinsons article regarding DPF filters in the latest JEC magazine. V6 diesels will clog their filters if used gently in town driving conditions. They need a good burn out on the motorway frequently to ensure the filters are kept in prime condition. Not to do so will lead to exess fuel finding its way into the engine oil with subsiquent big end failure being the result. A new core engine block will set you back £2800 plus labour to fit. Hope the message come over clearly.
I suggest new owners of S-type spend time looking at the postings on this S-type Bulletin Board section. The X350 Board is also gaining excellent information regarding diesel models. The V6d is common to XF/X350 and S-types. We have amased a great deal of information over the past couple of years and answers to most problems are debated at some length to provide a good basis for members problems and recification. An evening on the Board will be time well spent.
Mike Kennedy. S-type Forum Co-ordinator.
I think you need to consult an indipendent specialist garage operator regarding the front suspension. It should not be moving around. Damage to the wishbones or bushes may have been sustained. Bushes are replacable. Have the complete assemblies checked over for damage. It is NOT normal for the suspension to visually be seen to move when brakes are applied. The opinion given by the main dealer seems way off the mark to me.
Softer ride? In my opinion and experience.....total rubbish. Damper and spring rates control that. Wishbone bushes control suspension geometry and movement underload. Standard bushes have a minimal influence on ride quality. These guys are telling you a load of toffee.
Front wheels should runn parallel. You need to find someone that knows what he is talking about and able to give an authoritive viewpoint substanciated by fact, not guess work.
Gearbox oil changes are manditory if you wish to avoid failure. See my article in the November 2010 magasine for reasons. Bristol Transmissions recommend oil changes every 24k miles. Talk to Simon Park for best advice.
An old worn, high mileage gearbox that has had no decent oil service previously may fail if the oil is changed. New oil can have a detergent effect. With a low mileage gearbox, oil changes will preserve internal condition. Ignore to 100k miles and the gearbox will be very tired. Oil changing at that time will be a waste of time.
Jaguar say sealed for life. Experience by many of us indicates that is the quickest way to ruin a gearbox. Ignore at your peril. Change your oil now and you should be ok. Take the car direct to a specialist gearbox company for best advice and prices. View also posts on the XK8 and X308 Boards also. The problem is common to all models and you will see a common thread emerge.
Your car has a low mileage. It will not be too late for new oil to have a beneficial effect. Worry not.
Regarding the rubber strip. Perhaps a degrease of affected areas and some super glue may effect a reasonable repair. Otherwise, a couple of hours labour for a strip out and a new seal may be the best option.
Visit the Adamesh site for grill mod parts. There may be something in Geoff`s parts bin which takes your fancy.
Fuel consumption is unlikely to improve much. 35mpg seems to be the norm for an S-type diesel. However, Paramount Performance at Slough, for instance can reflash the ecu for economy or performance. Worth talking to them.
In buying and S-type, you have moved into a higher class of motoring with a larger engine and more weight to cart around. Running expenses will be appreciably higher than an X-type. The bigger the engine, the more fuel used.
Read also Barry Wilkinsons article regarding DPF filters in the latest JEC magazine. V6 diesels will clog their filters if used gently in town driving conditions. They need a good burn out on the motorway frequently to ensure the filters are kept in prime condition. Not to do so will lead to exess fuel finding its way into the engine oil with subsiquent big end failure being the result. A new core engine block will set you back £2800 plus labour to fit. Hope the message come over clearly.
I suggest new owners of S-type spend time looking at the postings on this S-type Bulletin Board section. The X350 Board is also gaining excellent information regarding diesel models. The V6d is common to XF/X350 and S-types. We have amased a great deal of information over the past couple of years and answers to most problems are debated at some length to provide a good basis for members problems and recification. An evening on the Board will be time well spent.
Mike Kennedy. S-type Forum Co-ordinator.
X350 Co-ordinator
2004 XJR
2004 XJR
Re: New S type owner with a few questions
HI Mike,
many thanks for your most informative reply. all advisories and tips will be taken on board. I do not want this superb car to give me any more problems than are necessary. My feelings on the front suspension are the same as yours. I would have expected a main dealer to be a bit more switched on than this. I fel a letter to jag customer services coming on. I have to write to them about the clear coat on my metallic paint pealing on one door. Not good on a car of only 4 years.
Hope to bump into you (not literally) some time but working nights does put a bit of a dampaner on my social life and i don't get to the local events as often as i would like too.
Cheers
Iain
many thanks for your most informative reply. all advisories and tips will be taken on board. I do not want this superb car to give me any more problems than are necessary. My feelings on the front suspension are the same as yours. I would have expected a main dealer to be a bit more switched on than this. I fel a letter to jag customer services coming on. I have to write to them about the clear coat on my metallic paint pealing on one door. Not good on a car of only 4 years.
Hope to bump into you (not literally) some time but working nights does put a bit of a dampaner on my social life and i don't get to the local events as often as i would like too.
Cheers
Iain
Re: New S type owner with a few questions
Hello Iain
Congratulations on your purchase of an S Type diesel, I have a 2006 2.7 Sport which is a great car. I would be extremely concerned with any untoward movement within the front Hub/Suspension unit which should be investigated and repaired without delay. The front suspension arrangement is not that complicated, in fact I would consider any reasonable mechanic should be able to identify any items that are worn, bent or damaged without too much difficulty.
With regard to the Tracking of the front wheels, I would advise you to have this checked and adjusted only following any repairs are completed. As Mike suggests this needs to be parallel to Toe in slightly (mine is set slightly Toe in) Jaguar have cocked this bit up, as their settings incorrectly suggest a Toe out figure which if adopted, results with premature wear of the inside tread.
With regard to your question of the gear box oil change, I agree with Mike in his sentiments about having the Oil changed regularly, particularly with the earlier 5 speeder as this is a duffer. The later ZF 6 speed Gear box is far more robust in this respect, so I have adopted the "bugger it" approach and will leave it well alone, an Oil change is quite expensive and to do it properly requires the fitment of a new sump and integrated filter. It is also worth noting that it is not unknown for Gearboxes to fail following hamfisted servicing. So my advice to you is to not worry too much about changing the oil but plan it in if you really feel the need.
Regards
Dave Newbs
Congratulations on your purchase of an S Type diesel, I have a 2006 2.7 Sport which is a great car. I would be extremely concerned with any untoward movement within the front Hub/Suspension unit which should be investigated and repaired without delay. The front suspension arrangement is not that complicated, in fact I would consider any reasonable mechanic should be able to identify any items that are worn, bent or damaged without too much difficulty.
With regard to the Tracking of the front wheels, I would advise you to have this checked and adjusted only following any repairs are completed. As Mike suggests this needs to be parallel to Toe in slightly (mine is set slightly Toe in) Jaguar have cocked this bit up, as their settings incorrectly suggest a Toe out figure which if adopted, results with premature wear of the inside tread.
With regard to your question of the gear box oil change, I agree with Mike in his sentiments about having the Oil changed regularly, particularly with the earlier 5 speeder as this is a duffer. The later ZF 6 speed Gear box is far more robust in this respect, so I have adopted the "bugger it" approach and will leave it well alone, an Oil change is quite expensive and to do it properly requires the fitment of a new sump and integrated filter. It is also worth noting that it is not unknown for Gearboxes to fail following hamfisted servicing. So my advice to you is to not worry too much about changing the oil but plan it in if you really feel the need.
Regards
Dave Newbs
Re: New S type owner with a few questions
Hello Iain and another welcome from me. As you have seen by the response from Dave & Mike there is some good advice given here. I also have the same problem with the seal on the rear O/S window, I popped mine back in and has been fine for a few months now. Not sure you have been given the right info from the Dealer concerninng the Mesh Grille's surrounding the Spots, I have seen a few XS examples and they both have had them fitted along with the rear mesh Grille, they do make the car quite distinctive, especially with the conical shaped cowling that sits between the Spot and the Mesh, I have a few pictures taken at a Car Show if you want to see them, let me know.
Doug.
Doug.
Assistant S Type Model Co-ordinator
S Type Forum Moderator
S Type Forum Moderator
Re: New S type owner with a few questions
Bristol Transmissions recommend an oil change around 24k miles or every two years or so.
As per my article in November 2010 JEC magazine, oil degrades due to heat, pressure and oxidization. There is no getting around the fact.
Ignoring those facts WILL, I guarantee, lead to premature transmission failure. Keep on top of the situation, keep the oil fresh and clean, and a transmission should live to a ripe old age. If one continues to use a transmission to the extent that oil service is ignored, sludge will build up, lubrication qualities degrade and cause weardown of the geartrain, brakebands, bearings and other internal gearbox parts. Net result......BANG! I know because I have had the experience and it cost £1700 to fix.
Despite the fact that the transmission has a filter to catch the weardown particulate, much of the junk will end up in the valve packs and solenoid units. This will also cause the transmission to fail.
My old, great and occasionally learned friend, Dave, is correct about inherent weakness of the early five speed Ford Bordeaux 5R55N unit. Oil changing is particuarly important with that unit. Correctly looked after, the transmission is capable of reasonably high mileage, BUT only when regular oil changing takes place.
The six speed ZF unit is certainly more robust but still requires regular oil changing to achieve longevity. Similar failures to the 5R55N are regular occurances at any specialist transmission engineers workshop. When my own car blew it`s gearbox, I counted ten other modern Jaguars up on the ramps for transmission rebuild. That accounted for one third of the cars present at Bristol Transmissions on that day. Nice regular work, eh?
Many is the time when chatting with members I ask if they have changed their gearbox oil. Often the reply is that their car is serviced to Jaguar service scheduals by their local Main Dealer. I then explain that gearbox oil changing is not included in those scheduals as Jaguar say the gearbox is sealed for life. Regretfully, owners of S-type, X308 and XK8 models have found to their huge cost that this statement has caused their car gearbox to fail. Why? Because Jaguar cost accountants and marketing men over ruled the common well known engineering practice of keeping transmission oil in peak condition. Laterly, many Main Dealers will now arrange to have their customers gearboxes serviced, but only if asked to directly do so.
Having explained to people the need for oil changing, I frequently note that owners do not really wish to acknoledge the logic or the facts behind the arguement, prefering an "ignorance is bliss" approach. That is their problem not mine.
Even then, they farm the work out to local transmission specialists who have full flush equipment which frequently the Dealer does not possess. Taking ones car to a Main Dealer for this service is often an expensive option when compared to directly taking a car to a local transmission specialist ones self.
The subject of transmission failure and preventative measures has been discussed ad nausiem on this BB and also on the X308 and XK8 Boards for several years. Reference to the considerable number of members postings on all Boards will show a common thread. All models of V6 and V8 powered Jaguars from 1997 onwards with either Ford or ZF units, really do need competent gearbox oil servicing if transmission problems are to be avoided.
It is normal to change engine oil on a regular schedualed basis as lubrication qualities are known to degrade over a known time and mileage. Oil is universally regarded as a disposable consumable item. Why then should a gearbox not be afforded a similar level of protection on a regualr basis, even if operating in a somewhat less carbon orientated environment?
Sleep soundly and don`t have nightmares.
Kind regards,
Mike
As per my article in November 2010 JEC magazine, oil degrades due to heat, pressure and oxidization. There is no getting around the fact.
Ignoring those facts WILL, I guarantee, lead to premature transmission failure. Keep on top of the situation, keep the oil fresh and clean, and a transmission should live to a ripe old age. If one continues to use a transmission to the extent that oil service is ignored, sludge will build up, lubrication qualities degrade and cause weardown of the geartrain, brakebands, bearings and other internal gearbox parts. Net result......BANG! I know because I have had the experience and it cost £1700 to fix.
Despite the fact that the transmission has a filter to catch the weardown particulate, much of the junk will end up in the valve packs and solenoid units. This will also cause the transmission to fail.
My old, great and occasionally learned friend, Dave, is correct about inherent weakness of the early five speed Ford Bordeaux 5R55N unit. Oil changing is particuarly important with that unit. Correctly looked after, the transmission is capable of reasonably high mileage, BUT only when regular oil changing takes place.
The six speed ZF unit is certainly more robust but still requires regular oil changing to achieve longevity. Similar failures to the 5R55N are regular occurances at any specialist transmission engineers workshop. When my own car blew it`s gearbox, I counted ten other modern Jaguars up on the ramps for transmission rebuild. That accounted for one third of the cars present at Bristol Transmissions on that day. Nice regular work, eh?
Many is the time when chatting with members I ask if they have changed their gearbox oil. Often the reply is that their car is serviced to Jaguar service scheduals by their local Main Dealer. I then explain that gearbox oil changing is not included in those scheduals as Jaguar say the gearbox is sealed for life. Regretfully, owners of S-type, X308 and XK8 models have found to their huge cost that this statement has caused their car gearbox to fail. Why? Because Jaguar cost accountants and marketing men over ruled the common well known engineering practice of keeping transmission oil in peak condition. Laterly, many Main Dealers will now arrange to have their customers gearboxes serviced, but only if asked to directly do so.
Having explained to people the need for oil changing, I frequently note that owners do not really wish to acknoledge the logic or the facts behind the arguement, prefering an "ignorance is bliss" approach. That is their problem not mine.
Even then, they farm the work out to local transmission specialists who have full flush equipment which frequently the Dealer does not possess. Taking ones car to a Main Dealer for this service is often an expensive option when compared to directly taking a car to a local transmission specialist ones self.
The subject of transmission failure and preventative measures has been discussed ad nausiem on this BB and also on the X308 and XK8 Boards for several years. Reference to the considerable number of members postings on all Boards will show a common thread. All models of V6 and V8 powered Jaguars from 1997 onwards with either Ford or ZF units, really do need competent gearbox oil servicing if transmission problems are to be avoided.
It is normal to change engine oil on a regular schedualed basis as lubrication qualities are known to degrade over a known time and mileage. Oil is universally regarded as a disposable consumable item. Why then should a gearbox not be afforded a similar level of protection on a regualr basis, even if operating in a somewhat less carbon orientated environment?
Sleep soundly and don`t have nightmares.
Kind regards,
Mike
X350 Co-ordinator
2004 XJR
2004 XJR
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christopherspeed59
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Re: New S type owner with a few questions
Hi Mike,
I bought my car in april and the mileage is now showing 94k, i have got it booked in to have the transmission oil changed next tuesday. You say that by the time its done 100k if it hasn't been changed allready its probably to late, i'd really like to go ahead and have this done but you have put some doubt in my mind now. I intend to keep to car 2 or 3 years and probably take it up to 120k and i'm looking for some peice of mind ragarding the transmission. So should i, or should i not?
I bought my car in april and the mileage is now showing 94k, i have got it booked in to have the transmission oil changed next tuesday. You say that by the time its done 100k if it hasn't been changed allready its probably to late, i'd really like to go ahead and have this done but you have put some doubt in my mind now. I intend to keep to car 2 or 3 years and probably take it up to 120k and i'm looking for some peice of mind ragarding the transmission. So should i, or should i not?
Chris
Quartz, 2.7D Auto S Type SE
Quartz, 2.7D Auto S Type SE
Re: New S type owner with a few questions
Only visual inspection of the oil or an expensive SOAP test can tell the condition of your oil based on colour and volume of wear particulate in the oil. The volume of particulate in the filter will help your man decide whether an oil change will be helpful in the long term.
There are no definate answers with this subject. Quite a lot of luck is also involved.
Black oil usually means a gearbox is well worn. That being the case, an oil change would perhaps do more harm than good. Oil in good to fair condition indicates that internal parts are probably still in good condition and an oil change will help keep weardown at reasonable levels.
Hope that helps, Chris.
Mike
There are no definate answers with this subject. Quite a lot of luck is also involved.
Black oil usually means a gearbox is well worn. That being the case, an oil change would perhaps do more harm than good. Oil in good to fair condition indicates that internal parts are probably still in good condition and an oil change will help keep weardown at reasonable levels.
Hope that helps, Chris.
Mike
X350 Co-ordinator
2004 XJR
2004 XJR
Re: New S type owner with a few questions
Well, thanks to everyone for the greeting and the input. Lots if differing view points there. I have spoken to a friend who is also a garage owner. Over the years he has owned a number of auto boxed cars C class, Rover SDi, more than a few Jags. His current car is an XJ with 100k miles. he has never changed the oil on any of them.
he has given me the name of an auto box specialist in Mansfieldand I am going to call him on Monday. My rationale here is that an oil change at say £300 on the off chance that it will keep my gearbox sweet it a better bet than a £1700+ repair bill. So the plan is to have the oil changed and look at its visual condition to see if it was the correct choice. I think that I will go with the flow and include this as part of my regular servicing but my S type will never again see amain dealer because..a, they are too damn expensive and b, I am not totally happy or confident with the service and advice that they offer.
The suspension continues to worry me so the car is booked in to have it all checked out and any suspect parts replaced. My worry now is the after on a few weeks of ownership and 2.5k of miles, my S type will have already cost me more than my X type did in 18 months and 28k of driven miles. Is that the price I must pay for mylust for this car? Probably. Will I continue to absorb this level of running cost? not sure. It depends on what else goes wrong or crops up. There is now doubt that the S type is a stunning car both visually and too drive. The XS kit with its front and back grills and multi spoke wheels really set it out as a cut above the rest and gets lots of looks where ever I take it. It seems to attract idiots in Insignias', Audis' and BMWs' who all want to race. I just let them get on with it. I don't need to prove anything about the size of my manhood.
I have spent a very enjoyable day today teaching the Jaguar voice to recognise me. This little toy is simply the mutz nutz. Linda (My wife) says I amjust a big lid...yep, no argument there. I am going to investigate the spot lamp grills again because I am not convinced that the information that the main delaer gave me was correct. I was also informed my them that so supply and fit these would be £350+ as the whole fron bumper assembly has to come off. Enter stage right my little friendly garage man.
So I will keep you all posted as to what happens. If anyone does have there oil changed in the next few days, please let me know what the outcome was.
One more thing (God how many more) when I have switched the engine off there is what can only be described as a bubbling sound coming from behind the dash which I am assuming is the aircon. Is this normal? Sounds like it has indigestion.
Thanks again to all who have taken the time to input into my queries.
best regards
Iain
he has given me the name of an auto box specialist in Mansfieldand I am going to call him on Monday. My rationale here is that an oil change at say £300 on the off chance that it will keep my gearbox sweet it a better bet than a £1700+ repair bill. So the plan is to have the oil changed and look at its visual condition to see if it was the correct choice. I think that I will go with the flow and include this as part of my regular servicing but my S type will never again see amain dealer because..a, they are too damn expensive and b, I am not totally happy or confident with the service and advice that they offer.
The suspension continues to worry me so the car is booked in to have it all checked out and any suspect parts replaced. My worry now is the after on a few weeks of ownership and 2.5k of miles, my S type will have already cost me more than my X type did in 18 months and 28k of driven miles. Is that the price I must pay for mylust for this car? Probably. Will I continue to absorb this level of running cost? not sure. It depends on what else goes wrong or crops up. There is now doubt that the S type is a stunning car both visually and too drive. The XS kit with its front and back grills and multi spoke wheels really set it out as a cut above the rest and gets lots of looks where ever I take it. It seems to attract idiots in Insignias', Audis' and BMWs' who all want to race. I just let them get on with it. I don't need to prove anything about the size of my manhood.
I have spent a very enjoyable day today teaching the Jaguar voice to recognise me. This little toy is simply the mutz nutz. Linda (My wife) says I amjust a big lid...yep, no argument there. I am going to investigate the spot lamp grills again because I am not convinced that the information that the main delaer gave me was correct. I was also informed my them that so supply and fit these would be £350+ as the whole fron bumper assembly has to come off. Enter stage right my little friendly garage man.
So I will keep you all posted as to what happens. If anyone does have there oil changed in the next few days, please let me know what the outcome was.
One more thing (God how many more) when I have switched the engine off there is what can only be described as a bubbling sound coming from behind the dash which I am assuming is the aircon. Is this normal? Sounds like it has indigestion.
Thanks again to all who have taken the time to input into my queries.
best regards
Iain
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christopherspeed59
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Re: New S type owner with a few questions
My car makes all sort of gurgling noise's from the dash board, its quite entertaining 
, and i'm having my oil changed on tuesday although not convinced its the right thing to do.
, and i'm having my oil changed on tuesday although not convinced its the right thing to do.Chris
Quartz, 2.7D Auto S Type SE
Quartz, 2.7D Auto S Type SE
Re: New S type owner with a few questions
Hi, before the STR I had a 54 plate SE diesel which was at 60kmiles when I bought it so roughly 20k miles per year. Bristol Transmissions changed the oil and filter at about 70k and I ran the can without any problems to 112k at 18k per year.
I had a bottle of the oil which came out and although dirty I couldn't find any particles in the oil, filtering it just discolured the paper.
My take on this is that there is a vast difference between 25k miles round town with frequent gear changes and the torque converter working, and the same distance cruising the motorways in 6th with the torque converter locked.
I do plan to have the gerabox oil in the STR changed the next time I overnight in Bristol.
The diesel's gearchange smoothed up after the oil change and the low speed 'lurch' dissappeared, so well worth the money. The car usually averaged around 40 mpg on a motorway run, say 38 to 42 mpg depending on howmany hold ups there were. With the STR 28 is the new 40 but unleaded is cheaper than diesel !
Mike
I had a bottle of the oil which came out and although dirty I couldn't find any particles in the oil, filtering it just discolured the paper.
My take on this is that there is a vast difference between 25k miles round town with frequent gear changes and the torque converter working, and the same distance cruising the motorways in 6th with the torque converter locked.
I do plan to have the gerabox oil in the STR changed the next time I overnight in Bristol.
The diesel's gearchange smoothed up after the oil change and the low speed 'lurch' dissappeared, so well worth the money. The car usually averaged around 40 mpg on a motorway run, say 38 to 42 mpg depending on howmany hold ups there were. With the STR 28 is the new 40 but unleaded is cheaper than diesel !
Mike
Mike,
2008 2.7 XF Luxury, 1990 MX 5 and a Welsh Terrier !
2008 2.7 XF Luxury, 1990 MX 5 and a Welsh Terrier !
Re: New S type owner with a few questions
ThanksMike and everyone else for input on this. (Mike S type R you lucky ******.
I mentioned in a previous post and Mike has touched on this as well about fuel consumption. Over the last week I have been keeping tabs on this. A recent trip to Woolley Edge services from home to meet my boss. Round trip 101.5 miles average speed 67mph sometimes up to 90. First and last 8 miles are at 30 through town. Average over both trips was a very respectable 41.9
Trip on Sunday to Weatherby from home round trip 156 miles average speed 51 mph average mpg 43.7
I drive everywhere with te aircon onas I suffer with overheating so I think that these figures are more than acceptabel for a car of this size. Very pleased indeed. However I am off to Buxton tonight only 38 miles each way but average speed will be about 35 with multiple gear changes due to twists and turns in road. So woll post tomorrow on what I achieved.
Cheers all
iain
I mentioned in a previous post and Mike has touched on this as well about fuel consumption. Over the last week I have been keeping tabs on this. A recent trip to Woolley Edge services from home to meet my boss. Round trip 101.5 miles average speed 67mph sometimes up to 90. First and last 8 miles are at 30 through town. Average over both trips was a very respectable 41.9
Trip on Sunday to Weatherby from home round trip 156 miles average speed 51 mph average mpg 43.7
I drive everywhere with te aircon onas I suffer with overheating so I think that these figures are more than acceptabel for a car of this size. Very pleased indeed. However I am off to Buxton tonight only 38 miles each way but average speed will be about 35 with multiple gear changes due to twists and turns in road. So woll post tomorrow on what I achieved.
Cheers all
iain
Re: New S type owner with a few questions
Appreciate everyone's input on this and other posts.
This is what the BB`s were designed to achieve. Namely a comprehensive technical library and a full and free exchange medium between members sharing ideas and pooling experiences.
Please keep it coming and encourage fellow members to become involved.
I am on the Forums stand on Sunday at Southern Day so please come and say hello. Thanks also to Chris Speed for bringing his diesel for display.
Note also that James, our Assistant Manager has some good deals on sports exhausts available to members. These units replace the standard back boxes with simple pipework, the prototype being Graham Searle`s units on his car. The exhaust units fit 4.2, 4.0 and 3.0 litre cars. Grab yourself a bargain.
Thanks Guys,
Mike
This is what the BB`s were designed to achieve. Namely a comprehensive technical library and a full and free exchange medium between members sharing ideas and pooling experiences.
Please keep it coming and encourage fellow members to become involved.
I am on the Forums stand on Sunday at Southern Day so please come and say hello. Thanks also to Chris Speed for bringing his diesel for display.
Note also that James, our Assistant Manager has some good deals on sports exhausts available to members. These units replace the standard back boxes with simple pipework, the prototype being Graham Searle`s units on his car. The exhaust units fit 4.2, 4.0 and 3.0 litre cars. Grab yourself a bargain.
Thanks Guys,
Mike
X350 Co-ordinator
2004 XJR
2004 XJR
Re: New S type owner with a few questions
Well, I said that I would post the result of my trip to Buxtonso here it is.
I had a very enjoyable drive to Buxton via A617 Chesterfield and onwards towards the A6020 The sun was shining and my little S type was purring along. So imagine my surprise when I suddenly came accross the Local JEC group on an evening drive. I first saw a couple of older Jags go by and waved but did not really take to much notice of what they were. Then just around the corner they they were....a convoy of assorted Jags resplendantly cruising down the road and around the roundabout. E types, S type all sorts. If you were one of them take it from me it was a very impressive sight and I am sure that the lorry that i was following was wondering what the hell I kept flashing at. Nice one chaps.
Anyway, here are the stas for the trip Round trip distance 83.5 miles, average speed 30mph average fuelwas 34.9. As anyone who knows this road will testify, there is hardly a straight bit on it with numerous gear changes and a slow average speed. so I thought that again the average MPG was excellent.
Well that is it for now. i am off to bed...nights takes it out of you.
Again to the guys in the convoy. NICE ONE CHAPS
Regards to all
Iain
I had a very enjoyable drive to Buxton via A617 Chesterfield and onwards towards the A6020 The sun was shining and my little S type was purring along. So imagine my surprise when I suddenly came accross the Local JEC group on an evening drive. I first saw a couple of older Jags go by and waved but did not really take to much notice of what they were. Then just around the corner they they were....a convoy of assorted Jags resplendantly cruising down the road and around the roundabout. E types, S type all sorts. If you were one of them take it from me it was a very impressive sight and I am sure that the lorry that i was following was wondering what the hell I kept flashing at. Nice one chaps.
Anyway, here are the stas for the trip Round trip distance 83.5 miles, average speed 30mph average fuelwas 34.9. As anyone who knows this road will testify, there is hardly a straight bit on it with numerous gear changes and a slow average speed. so I thought that again the average MPG was excellent.
Well that is it for now. i am off to bed...nights takes it out of you.
Again to the guys in the convoy. NICE ONE CHAPS
Regards to all
Iain
Re: New S type owner with a few questions
The JEC is a very tight knit bunch of friends. One can turn up at any Regional meeting or event and be assured a warm welcome.
This Forum is going well and that is all down to members becoming involved with the idea.
Good to know your consumption figures. On mixed driving with the diesel, 35mpg is the norm. A V6 petrol would be doing around 28mpg under similar conditions with a V8 4 litre doing about 23mpg. A tad better for the 4.2 could be expected.
Cheers Guys,
Mike
This Forum is going well and that is all down to members becoming involved with the idea.
Good to know your consumption figures. On mixed driving with the diesel, 35mpg is the norm. A V6 petrol would be doing around 28mpg under similar conditions with a V8 4 litre doing about 23mpg. A tad better for the 4.2 could be expected.
Cheers Guys,
Mike
X350 Co-ordinator
2004 XJR
2004 XJR
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