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Diff oil change

Postby iRS » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:29 am

I thought I'd have a go at changing the oil in the diff. My car has now got to around 185,000 so hoping this isn't the first time. I was a bit confused to start with as there is no drain plug. However, it is a fairly straight forward process to pump the old oil out. I had previously bought a very simply pump from the local accessory shop to put oil into the diff of one of my classics, so I thought I'd have a go with that. I had previously picked up a couple of litres of correct diff oil from the oil supplier at Bicester Heritage, so was ready to go.

The first task is to get the filler plug out. This is a square 3/8" with very little space. I was able to get a ratchet driver in place with no attachment. You should be able to see that here.
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Next I pumped out the old oil. You can see the red plastic tubing, held straight by a bit of old wood.
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and this is what the pump looks like:
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After that a straight forward process to pump the new oil in.

The old oil came out smelling badly, so I'm sure it was time for a change. I'm happy to say there were signs that this wasn't the first time it had been done, so in line with other things on this car, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that East Riding council looked after the car very well in its 10 or so years with them.
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Re: Diff oil change

Postby J44EAG » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:51 am

Well done, Roger.

A very necessary job on all modern Jaguars. I recall Jaguar schedule this service work every 90K miles. My own car was treated to a diff oil change at eleven years of age and some 80K miles covered. Here is what Tom Lenthall removed from my car. As you found, rather smelly and nasty and definately with little lubrication quality still remaining.
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Seeing the appaling quality of my oil at such a low mileage leads me to suggest that it could and probably should be changed at much lower mileage intervals. If I keep this car for a long period of time, which is something that is likely, then I shall be replacing that oil after another 40k miles of use. The cost of the oil is peanuts when compared with the cost of having to have a diff rebuilt. A new Jaguar supplied diff is known to have cost one of our members £2800 recently. Obviously regular replacement of oil will help towards avoidance of that outlay. A stitch in time can save nine.

Tom Lenthall often finds his business having to change worn out diffs on XK8, S-type, X350 and XF models of varied years. Tom is one of only three businesses authorised to supply and fit the Quaife LSD units. As I understand it, the cost of him rebuilding a diff with that LSD unit is around £1800. Cheaper than fitting a Jaguar replacement unit by £1000 and able to give an improved level of traction control. The unit is completely mechanical and works well with the traction control system fitted to the car. In fact it cuts down on the amount of DSC activation/interferance by the electronic module. I`ve seen one of these units in action in wet conditions when fitted to one of our Regional members S-type. Most impressive it was too.

I can only but recommend low mileage diff oil changing to owners of modern Jaguar cars. There was apparently an issue with some brand new diff units where it is alleged that the diff cases were not properly cleaned of machining swarf and that cutting fluid also remained in the caseing. Obviously any contamination of this type does little to help longevity. Indeed the member with the £2800 unit mentioned above, had diff failure at just 46K miles. Whether contamination was a contributory factor is unlikely ever to be known. But we know there can be those issues and that fact alone should encourage all of us and particuarly those with lower mileage cars (under 90K miles covered) that have never had a diff oil change done, to get it actioned as a matter of urgency.

Tom tells me that an early sign of diff issues is the failure of the near side drive shaft oil seal. If a replacement seal is fitted and that also fails, then it is time to consider replacing the complete diff or having Tom, Viezu or Racing Green Cars fit the Quaife LSD alternative option.

Oil service maintenance is vital for a modern Jaguar regardless of what model you own. This is applicable also to supercharger and gearbox oil and filters. Ideally, those two oils should be changed at each and every service interval. Personally, I disagree that diff oil can be left until a 90K service aniversary. 40K or 50K intervals appear a better idea. That diff oil is subject to extreems of heat and pressure not to mention oxidisation. Nothing lasts for ever and that includes all oils used in our cars. Filled or sealed for life recommendations should be ignored. That is just not possible.

WIth luck, as Roger suggests, hopefully his 186k mile car has received several vital oil changes in the hands of East Riding Council. Roger and I drove each others cars recently. Despite the high mileage of Roger`s car, it is certainly a good example of the model and there was no diff noise detectable. One hopes that Roger`s car did most of its former work as a long distance cruiser rather that being used for many short journeys. Long distance work is what Uncle Rob calls "good miles" and which keep damaging use to the minimum.

Glad you got that done, Roger. That`s another job off the list.

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Re: Diff oil change

Postby jookul100431 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:53 pm

Hi Guys

Does anyone know the exact oil for the diff. Valvoline nor Catrol seem to list one and I would prefer not to buy form the dealer. I thought I read somewhere it's a fully synthetic oil...
I have a leak on the driver's side and would like to get it resealed and a oil change at the same time

My car is a 2007 diesel sovergin

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Re: Diff oil change

Postby J44EAG » Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:47 pm

Berkshire Jaguar Components will have the correct oil on the shelf. They can advise on quantity required. Give them a call. They could post it to you.

Extraction of the differential half shafts can be challenging. With peripheral suspension components dismantled, ie, top, bottom and track arm bolts removed to leave the hub carrier on the shaft, in theory a good pull should have the half shaft out of the diff in seconds. In practice that simple and straight forward action can become a nightmare. I`ve seen a Jag independent operator struggle to extract the shaft even with a slide hammer, block hammers and even larger tools. Problems can arise which cause the half shaft and diff output unit to bind together. That possible aspect should form part of your action plan when considering changing the oil seal. It may not be as easy as you would hope. Forewarned is forearmed.

Please let us know how you get on.

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Re: Diff oil change

Postby jookul100431 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:11 pm

Hi Mike

Thanks again... I'll give Berkshire Jag components a ring for the oil.

Thanks for the advice on the half shaft. While I will tackle some of the small jobs on the car I think that might sound a bit too challenging for me especially if I run into trouble. So I think that will be one for my Mechanic when I assemble the various bits and peices

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Re: Diff oil change

Postby Popsjag » Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:54 pm

Just done mine - because I had to remove the rh driveshaft to try and replace a broken reluctor ring - it had snapped because of rust building up behind it. Needless to say, the hub would not come off the splined end and it was too big (diameter of cv joint) to put in my press. I ended up cleaning all the rusted area up and tack-welding the reluctor ring back together - it seems to be working so far!!

The colour of the old oil was a bit dire - well it has done 136,000 miles!
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