How do I deflate my suspension safely??

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How do I deflate my suspension safely??

Postby SCUTHY2002 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:05 pm

My 2003 XJR has developed a fault with the air suspension compressor. The vent valve has jammed shut and as a result the suspension is jacked up like its on viagra!!
My problem is how do I safely de-pressurise the system so that I can remove the compressor for repair/replacement??
Any advice please? Steve.

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Re: How do I deflate my suspension safely??

Postby J44EAG » Wed Apr 13, 2016 5:29 pm

I`ve just spoken to Ian Kelsall at XJK on your behalf about this problem.

Apparently a stuck vent valve is something Ian has never seen. He thought it unlikely there was an issue with the valve block on the accumulator which is located below the spare wheel. Ian advised checking all level sensors on the upper wishbone arms as a starting point particularly for security and completeness around the knuckle joint and mountings for the sensors attached to the lever arms. Some cars will have four lever sensors whilst later cars only have one at the front. A level sensor if misplaced could send a false signal which could cause the suspension to over inflate.

The recommended procedure for depressurizing the system would be via the SDD dealer level diagnostic tool. That said (and I have indeed done this myself) Ian said that with the ignition switched off it is possible to deflate the suspension by very carefully releasing air from the top of the damper mounting. A nut screws to the top of the damper with a black air pipe running through it. Take extreme car to control the air pipe and nut as obviously the system is under pressure.

Should yu not be able to fix the issue yourself, then a trip to a local independent Jaguar specialist is probably the safest option.

Please let us know how you get over this issue.

Hope this helps.

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Re: How do I deflate my suspension safely??

Postby oldtimer » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:16 pm

Mike,
Just out of interest what sort of pressure are we talking about ?

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Re: How do I deflate my suspension safely??

Postby ptjs1 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:55 pm

I think the reservoir holds at about 180psi and the system operates at about 55psi. So, small pipe and 55psi can be quite uncomfortable.

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Re: How do I deflate my suspension safely??

Postby J44EAG » Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:15 pm

Astute posts, so take extreme care if you don`t use the recommended method via SDD or IDS gear. Your car and your risk, gents.

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Re: How do I deflate my suspension safely??

Postby SCUTHY2002 » Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:02 am

Thanks for your help and advice guys. It was actually at XJK 2 weeks ago. It was for a general check and engine service. Ian noticed that a safety recall from 2009 had not been done on the brake pipes so it is currently with Sratstone for free replacment of the front to rear pipe.
I will take a look to see if its a simple thing like a dislodged sensor. I have a brand new Wabco compressor in the shed which I wanted to fit anyway so if I can safely release the pressure I will get that swapped and refurb the old one as a spare.
I will post the outcome.
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Re: How do I deflate my suspension safely??

Postby SCUTHY2002 » Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:13 am

Ok, so I managed to deflate the suspension and fit the new compressor. started the car and nothing happens. Drove it around the block a couple of times ( great low rider!) and no attempt to inflate but no codes thrown just vehicle too low message. Checked the fuses and relay and they are all ok. Any ideas considering the original problem was over inflation? If all else fails it will be a 9 mile embarrasing drive to XJK. Steve.

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Re: How do I deflate my suspension safely??

Postby J44EAG » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:09 pm

Try a battery hard dump battery disconnection for half an hour. with luck that should clear any stray fault codes that may be fouling things up.

I suspect the electronics have become confused after your jack up scenario. These things happen. Give it a try. It is worth noting that after a suspension tear down, I had to wait ten minutes for the air suspension to sort itself out before normal ride height resumed.

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Re: How do I deflate my suspension safely??

Postby SCUTHY2002 » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:17 pm

Hi Mike. Thanks for that. I didn't mention it but I have tried both a short and an extended battery disconnect to no avail. I have left the car running for 20 minutes as well as the drive around the block but it will just not kick in for some reason. at a bit of a loss as to what to do next

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Re: How do I deflate my suspension safely??

Postby J44EAG » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:44 pm

Suggest a call to ian or gavin at XJK.

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Re: How do I deflate my suspension safely??

Postby ptjs1 » Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:54 pm

Just a suggestion: How about jacking up one end to get the wheels and sensors to extend, then running the engine and seeing if that fools the system into starting up and maintaining the height?

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Re: How do I deflate my suspension safely??

Postby SCUTHY2002 » Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:29 am

Thanks Paul. Tried that last night and no luck.

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Re: How do I deflate my suspension safely??

Postby J44EAG » Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:37 pm

I wonder if the module or connection might have a corrosion hot spot. Worth excerpting the connecting plug and socket?

Do you have a code reader to hand? Electronic diagnosis is probably the next move.

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Re: How do I deflate my suspension safely??

Postby SCUTHY2002 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:53 pm

Hi Mike
Had a long chat with Ian at XJK. Going to check the height sensors are all ok next and I have also acquired a spare module and solenoid block so this thing will not beat me!! Yes I have a simple OBD reader and there are no codes showing at the moment. She is still stuck on the drive looking like a Gas Monkey Lowrider but weather permitting I will get stuck in again tonight.
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Re: How do I deflate my suspension safely??

Postby SCUTHY2002 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:00 pm

OMG!! Did not expect snow and hail to stop me working on the x350 last night!! Crazy climate!


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