Emergency!

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Emergency!

Postby PaulGover » Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:39 pm

A coupe of experiences of what to do in an emergency in the X350. Oh what it is to live in interesting times :)

First, "Restricted performance" light and message comes on while you're bombing down the fast lane of the motorway:
Do not panic! In particular, don't floor the throttle to try keeping your speed high - it has the opposite effect, the engine refuses to respond and you slow down. Instead, feather the throttle to minimum that maintains your speed while you move to the middle lane. You are not restricted to 50 mph - in my diesel, i could reach (cough) at least the same version of 70 mph that everyone else was doing. What you can't do is open the throttle more than about a third before the engine management limits you. Ditto, there's a maximum rpm you can do, so you can still move off from stationary to reach 70 mph, but only accelerating slowly through the gears. In my diesel the limit is 2000 rpm; I expect it's higher for petrol engines.

Second, total brake failure:
I had this plunging down the hill to our local motorway junction roundabout. I thought I'd hit the accelerator by mistake, as the car did not slow. Taking a big stab at the brake pedal showed the brakes were still there, just a long way away. You need virtually all the pedal travel before anything happens. This is the dual-circuit braking coming into play: the majority of the pedal motion is failing to move one half of the system; it appears at some point in the pedal travel the two circuits (which are normally connected to balance the braking effort) separate, and then you can operate the remaining half.

Note that the brakes will be at most 50% effective, as the split is front-left-rear-right, and vice versa, for stability, though there will still be some brake-steer. I presume ABS won't function either.
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Re: Emergency!

Postby andypryce » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:07 pm

Total brake failure! Sounds like a nightmare to me!
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Re: Emergency!

Postby PaulGover » Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:56 am

It was quite exciting.
If the roundabout hadn't had a queue on it and green traffic lights I'd have approached at speed and been prepared to brake hard if they went yellow, which would have been a worse time to find out. But as there was a queue, I'd already started coasting and braking early to save fuel.

I'd rather not have it happen again. I presume there might be corrosion lurking in other spots, given the damage in this case was in a well-protected area in the engine bay. The car's 14 years old, mostly Jaguar-maintained, and passed its MOT after my repair.

I asked the local Jaguar agent how much to replace all the fixed brake pipes; they'd give me a price for parts (something like £500) but strangely reticent about labour. I've read that they have to drop the rear suspension and fuel tank to do it, so that's probably why. I asked my local MOT garage, he reckoned he'd be able to replace it all with copper pipe (basically what I'd done in my post under Brakes etc.) for about the same price in one day. They can poke the pipe over the tank and bend it afterwards; Jaguar don't have that option.
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Re: Emergency!

Postby andypryce » Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:31 am

Are the pipes that bad on a relatively newish car? Might be checking my 24 year old XK8…
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Re: Emergency!

Postby PaulGover » Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:56 pm

2008, so 14 years young. My XJS has the original pipes, and that's 17 years older, but no silly plastic coating, which I suspect concentrated the corrosion when the film was broken.
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