Worn rear lower wishbone bushes. S-type, X350,XF models
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:07 am
The above Jaguar models all share is similar suspension platform.
We have long known that high miler S-types suffer from worn inner and outer bush failure which can cause problems at MOT time. As the XF and X350 models age also and accumulate miles, the same problem will affect them also.
Some years back, Bob Bate highlighted the problem in one of his excellent articles in our magazine, under a heading of "Bob Bate gets contraversial". Bob went on to describe the lack of available bushes as service parts to be "outrageous".
Why?
It is as simple as this. Only complete new individual wishbone assemblies are available at between £215 -£430 each, depending on who you source them from.
Jaguars reason for not supplying replacement bushes is that they do not consider it an approved item for repair. The story is that they are concerned that replacement of the bushes if done poorly may lead to a cracked wishbone.
Whilst this could happen if undertaken by an inexperienced, clumsy and brainless engineer, I think it doubtful in practice. Most guys doing this type of work know what they are doing. The bushes were pushed into the wishbones originally by the Jaguar parts supplier and conversely may just as easily be pushed out again using a bench press. Having been taken out, new bushes can be pushed back in again with care and the right tools. So why the hype and stage fright?
It is a nice little money spinner and will cost an owner around £800 for new wishbones plus labour and VAT. So thats a grand gone.
Short of obtaining secondhand wishbones at a current market rate of around £100 each with no real guarantee that those replacements might not have much life left in them, the only answer has been to buy new complete wishbones. Ouch!
Following a string of mails to me over the last couple of years, I decided to investigate further. My local Jaguar repair guy told me that XF bushes fitted S-types and that he was doing the repair to customers cars on a regular basis. I hadn`t the nerve to ask where he sourced his parts. I tried a Jaguar Main Dealer for XF bushes but got the standard party line described above. Not approved by Jaguar as a repair so therefore not possible to have the job done at a main dealer even if parts were available.
Then one of our members found out that Racing Green Cars in Guildford had had these special bushes made for the rear lower wishbones. They also have had oversize shell sets made up for V8 cranks which would otherwise condem a crank as scrap owning to the fact that Jaguar do not supply oversize bearings for reconditioning work! Make up you own mind as to why that is the case.
Colin Bowler at Racing Green tells me that the wishbone bushes are a relatively easy fit with a bench press and a knowledgable engineer doing the job. Sure, it is possible to crack a wishbone if one tries hard enough to be clumsy, but given one confidently knows what one is doing, there really should be no reason why a repair of this nature should not be effected without pulverising the wishbone or its new bushing.
The wishbone is fitted with a large Metalastic bush on one chassis location, together with the ball type bush at one other chassis location point and the other at the outer end of the wishbone where it links with the bottom mount on the rear hub carrier. Two bushes in all that need replacement on each wishbone. In practice the Metalastic bushes do not cause problems and will rarely require to be replaced.
It is recommended that all bottom wishbone bushes are replaced in one hit. If one has worn, then the other three on the car will not be far behind. So, it is two new bushes per wishbone making a total of four required to repair the car.
Wishbones should be checked for corrosion issues especially around and inside the wishbone voids where the bushes locate. This must be in perfect order and not be eaten away due to galvanic action.
Racing Green can supply bushes at a cost of approximately £50 per bush. So that is £200 for the parts plus a couple of hours labour plus VAT.
Rather different from a £1000 bill.
I reiterate that this is not an approved Jaguar repair and that it is an "on your own head be it" scenario if problems occur after fitment.
I am purely the message sender in this post and cannot endorse this proceedure either individually or as the JEC S-type Co-ordinator. Nether do I have any links with Racing Green.
Interesting, eh?
Mike
We have long known that high miler S-types suffer from worn inner and outer bush failure which can cause problems at MOT time. As the XF and X350 models age also and accumulate miles, the same problem will affect them also.
Some years back, Bob Bate highlighted the problem in one of his excellent articles in our magazine, under a heading of "Bob Bate gets contraversial". Bob went on to describe the lack of available bushes as service parts to be "outrageous".
Why?
It is as simple as this. Only complete new individual wishbone assemblies are available at between £215 -£430 each, depending on who you source them from.
Jaguars reason for not supplying replacement bushes is that they do not consider it an approved item for repair. The story is that they are concerned that replacement of the bushes if done poorly may lead to a cracked wishbone.
Whilst this could happen if undertaken by an inexperienced, clumsy and brainless engineer, I think it doubtful in practice. Most guys doing this type of work know what they are doing. The bushes were pushed into the wishbones originally by the Jaguar parts supplier and conversely may just as easily be pushed out again using a bench press. Having been taken out, new bushes can be pushed back in again with care and the right tools. So why the hype and stage fright?
It is a nice little money spinner and will cost an owner around £800 for new wishbones plus labour and VAT. So thats a grand gone.
Short of obtaining secondhand wishbones at a current market rate of around £100 each with no real guarantee that those replacements might not have much life left in them, the only answer has been to buy new complete wishbones. Ouch!
Following a string of mails to me over the last couple of years, I decided to investigate further. My local Jaguar repair guy told me that XF bushes fitted S-types and that he was doing the repair to customers cars on a regular basis. I hadn`t the nerve to ask where he sourced his parts. I tried a Jaguar Main Dealer for XF bushes but got the standard party line described above. Not approved by Jaguar as a repair so therefore not possible to have the job done at a main dealer even if parts were available.
Then one of our members found out that Racing Green Cars in Guildford had had these special bushes made for the rear lower wishbones. They also have had oversize shell sets made up for V8 cranks which would otherwise condem a crank as scrap owning to the fact that Jaguar do not supply oversize bearings for reconditioning work! Make up you own mind as to why that is the case.
Colin Bowler at Racing Green tells me that the wishbone bushes are a relatively easy fit with a bench press and a knowledgable engineer doing the job. Sure, it is possible to crack a wishbone if one tries hard enough to be clumsy, but given one confidently knows what one is doing, there really should be no reason why a repair of this nature should not be effected without pulverising the wishbone or its new bushing.
The wishbone is fitted with a large Metalastic bush on one chassis location, together with the ball type bush at one other chassis location point and the other at the outer end of the wishbone where it links with the bottom mount on the rear hub carrier. Two bushes in all that need replacement on each wishbone. In practice the Metalastic bushes do not cause problems and will rarely require to be replaced.
It is recommended that all bottom wishbone bushes are replaced in one hit. If one has worn, then the other three on the car will not be far behind. So, it is two new bushes per wishbone making a total of four required to repair the car.
Wishbones should be checked for corrosion issues especially around and inside the wishbone voids where the bushes locate. This must be in perfect order and not be eaten away due to galvanic action.
Racing Green can supply bushes at a cost of approximately £50 per bush. So that is £200 for the parts plus a couple of hours labour plus VAT.
Rather different from a £1000 bill.
I reiterate that this is not an approved Jaguar repair and that it is an "on your own head be it" scenario if problems occur after fitment.
I am purely the message sender in this post and cannot endorse this proceedure either individually or as the JEC S-type Co-ordinator. Nether do I have any links with Racing Green.
Interesting, eh?
Mike