I think the time that I knew would come, but have dreaded is here. It might be time to scrap/break my S Type R due to excessive rust. Having just put it in for an MOT it has failed due to the rear brakes being worn, plus rusty rear silencer. It had advisories on the rusty sills.
However I have been out and had a good look and I'm surprised the car didn't fail on the chassis being rusted through as you can see from the photos. This shows the near side, but the off side is just as bad.
It is something that I could probably repair myself, as I suspect repair panels could be made for those badly rusted sections in front of the rear suspension mounts, however I already have too many other projects that are not getting completed due to time. The body work is also in need of attention as all 4 wheel arches are rusting too, so I guess I am just typing this and talking myself into confirming the death of FH52MVR.
Over the years I've owned it (nearly 8 now!) I have spent a small fortune on it, replacing front brakes, rear bushes, gearbox servicing/programming, climate control work (although that is something else on the car that needs looking at again). Lots of receipts and it would be scary to total them.
I had hoped to keep this car as I've always liked the S Type since it was launched and the R is something special to drive, being fast and refined. I prefer the look of the older Rs too, so this 52 plate car was perfect for me. If someone has the time to take on a project please get in contact, otherwise I may start breaking this car soon.
With regret,
Steve
Another S Type Bites the Rust?
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Re: Another S Type Bites the Rust?
Sad day for you Steve to have to come to that decision especially when you have put so much into the car. Rust is becoming a biggest issue with these cars. Hopefully someone will take it on a project as there are only 733 left on the road here.
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Re: Another S Type Bites the Rust?
Indeed a very sad day. When compared to the M3 and M5 you are getting so much car for your money, the performance is very comparable, but I would guess the comfort is so much better.
They are getting to be rare cars, however my other 3 interesting cars all have chassis numbers under 100. Thankfully one 1 of these will suffer from rust as 1 is fibre glass monocoque and the other has a stainless steel chassis.
Regards,
Steve
They are getting to be rare cars, however my other 3 interesting cars all have chassis numbers under 100. Thankfully one 1 of these will suffer from rust as 1 is fibre glass monocoque and the other has a stainless steel chassis.
Regards,
Steve
2002 S-Type R, Black, 18" Zeus Alloys
Re: Another S Type Bites the Rust?
Sorry to hear that Steve, but as its repairable and you know you will miss it, could you not get a few quotes for the welding.
Doug.
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Re: Another S Type Bites the Rust?
Doug,
I would love to keep this car, but as my circumstances have changed in the last 18 months my priorities have to focus elsewhere now. I have 2 vehicles undergoing refurbishment at the moment, one of which is a major job and has been ongoing for 8 years now (scary that it's been off the road for so long). I also have another car that is likely to need an engine change soon, as I've just returned from a 2,000+ mile tour of France and I could hear the Pinto cam eating itself!
If I had the dry storage I would probably keep the car, but then again if I had the dry storage it probably wouldn't have rusted so badly before I had time to attend to it. Too many ifs and projects, so I need to find a new custodian of this lovely vehicle.
Regards,
Steve
I would love to keep this car, but as my circumstances have changed in the last 18 months my priorities have to focus elsewhere now. I have 2 vehicles undergoing refurbishment at the moment, one of which is a major job and has been ongoing for 8 years now (scary that it's been off the road for so long). I also have another car that is likely to need an engine change soon, as I've just returned from a 2,000+ mile tour of France and I could hear the Pinto cam eating itself!
If I had the dry storage I would probably keep the car, but then again if I had the dry storage it probably wouldn't have rusted so badly before I had time to attend to it. Too many ifs and projects, so I need to find a new custodian of this lovely vehicle.
Regards,
Steve
2002 S-Type R, Black, 18" Zeus Alloys
Re: Another S Type Bites the Rust?
Quite excessive rust that Steve even for an S Type, has it spent some of it's life near the coast.
Jeff
Jeff
S Type 2.7d SE Auto 2004 Now sold but still a lover of older Jags.
Previous Jaguars.
1967 3.8 S Type.
Series 1 XJ 4.2
Series 2 XJ 4.2
Previous Jaguars.
1967 3.8 S Type.
Series 1 XJ 4.2
Series 2 XJ 4.2
Re: Another S Type Bites the Rust?
Sadly, most steel cars will revert back to nature given exposure to time and corrosive chemical additives. In that respect, the issue goes right back to the start of motoring history.
Manufacturers do not want their cars to survive for more than ten or fifteen years. Their view is that if vehicles were better made, they would never sell any new products. So cars last for a limited time and disintegrate as we drive them.
Jaguar are probably little different from few other car manufacturer as regards their building policy. There are exceptions to the rule and some makers have longer lasting products than Jaguar. But one thing is certain. Use cycle, age, mileage and owner maintenance are probably the things that can prolong or shorten the life of a car dependent on the owners maintenance enthusiasm. Enthusiastic we may be, but there is only so much enthusiasm available to us in the fight against corrosion. Lets ask the question? How many of us last spent time on our backs wax oiling, washing down under-body components, hacking, and chopping away perforated metal or welding in new sections? Not many of us I would would have thought. Other life priorities get in the way whilst our steel pride and joys rot into the floor.
I`ve lost count of the number of S-type or X-type, X300/308 models that I`ve seen on independent Jaguar garage ramps that suddenly become uneconomic, rot ridden scrap only fit for dismantling. Many has been the time when John at Jagcare would walk me under and S-type or X-type, pick up a toffee hammer and walk down the car punching holes in the sills or sub-frame mounts. A year earlier, the car had an MOT. One has to be amazed that steel can be in reasonable condition twelve months earlier and 365 days later is crumbling to nothing.
My old and infamous V8 early model began that slide into oblivion about three years ago. I saw the alarm bells and got out fast whilst the car was still road legal and had some life left in it. Nine years after purchase for £8k, the best had been had from the car and it began to enter the banger market. My pal Vince and fellow JEC member finished the car off and eventually eBay`d it to rid himself of the next MOT liability. The car was snapped up by a couple of greasy oickes in a pick up truck from East London and the car went off to the low end trade. A fairly typical down the tubes demise of a once proud car.
One has to ask if we are overly hopeful as to what we expect as a life expectancy for our cars. I`m a tight wad with a very limited income due to disability. My money has to go as far as possible. I always expect to get the maximum life I can achieve from any vehicle I`ve owned. You all know how much maintenance effort I put into my X350R when first acquired. That aluminum car was bought at an age of twelve years, again for £8k. Frankly, that is all the money I ever want to invest in a car....especially an aging Jag which can become a money pit if corrosion gets hold of it. To date, my ali X350R is doing exceptionally well at floor pan level. Not so good are the sub-frames where in typical Jaguar style, signs of rampant surface corrosion can be seen.....but that is nothing new, is it? Look at the kick ups about XE and F-type sub-frame corrosion that have been mentioned in our magazine.
Going ali certainly has better corrosion control as a feature as well as a 40% weight reduction when viewed against steel. That can only but help. Presently I feel my move from S-type to X350 was a wise one. Perhaps that in itself will make my £8k purchase better value in as much as I see the 350 enjoying a much longer body shell life than the S-type could ever have hoped to achieve. Unless steel cars are kept like that of Doug and of course our late friend, Phil May (Oldtimer) under very strict maintenance and storeage conditions and with limited exposure to road going contaminates, then I`m afraid that the time has come to say that the S-type has begun to enter the extinction lane. Those now wishing to buy an S-type need to be exceptionally vigilant at under floor level and to expect to have to view a great many vehicles in their search for a sound vehicle.
What must concern us are new comers on the scene buying old S-types, doing basic maintenance, putting the car through its next MOT and then finding themselves with a pile of trouble and rot. In effect, having acquired perhaps the remains of my old S-type from the East London guys in the banger trade! Here we go again!! Bangernomics at its best.....
So the gribble worm strikes deeply at the S-type now. Its best years have been had. I`ve enjoyed them but now its time to move on. Whilst corrosion repairs are indeed possible, one has to ask...is it ever worth it? Time for an ali car and give oneself a fighting chance.
Mike
Manufacturers do not want their cars to survive for more than ten or fifteen years. Their view is that if vehicles were better made, they would never sell any new products. So cars last for a limited time and disintegrate as we drive them.
Jaguar are probably little different from few other car manufacturer as regards their building policy. There are exceptions to the rule and some makers have longer lasting products than Jaguar. But one thing is certain. Use cycle, age, mileage and owner maintenance are probably the things that can prolong or shorten the life of a car dependent on the owners maintenance enthusiasm. Enthusiastic we may be, but there is only so much enthusiasm available to us in the fight against corrosion. Lets ask the question? How many of us last spent time on our backs wax oiling, washing down under-body components, hacking, and chopping away perforated metal or welding in new sections? Not many of us I would would have thought. Other life priorities get in the way whilst our steel pride and joys rot into the floor.
I`ve lost count of the number of S-type or X-type, X300/308 models that I`ve seen on independent Jaguar garage ramps that suddenly become uneconomic, rot ridden scrap only fit for dismantling. Many has been the time when John at Jagcare would walk me under and S-type or X-type, pick up a toffee hammer and walk down the car punching holes in the sills or sub-frame mounts. A year earlier, the car had an MOT. One has to be amazed that steel can be in reasonable condition twelve months earlier and 365 days later is crumbling to nothing.
My old and infamous V8 early model began that slide into oblivion about three years ago. I saw the alarm bells and got out fast whilst the car was still road legal and had some life left in it. Nine years after purchase for £8k, the best had been had from the car and it began to enter the banger market. My pal Vince and fellow JEC member finished the car off and eventually eBay`d it to rid himself of the next MOT liability. The car was snapped up by a couple of greasy oickes in a pick up truck from East London and the car went off to the low end trade. A fairly typical down the tubes demise of a once proud car.
One has to ask if we are overly hopeful as to what we expect as a life expectancy for our cars. I`m a tight wad with a very limited income due to disability. My money has to go as far as possible. I always expect to get the maximum life I can achieve from any vehicle I`ve owned. You all know how much maintenance effort I put into my X350R when first acquired. That aluminum car was bought at an age of twelve years, again for £8k. Frankly, that is all the money I ever want to invest in a car....especially an aging Jag which can become a money pit if corrosion gets hold of it. To date, my ali X350R is doing exceptionally well at floor pan level. Not so good are the sub-frames where in typical Jaguar style, signs of rampant surface corrosion can be seen.....but that is nothing new, is it? Look at the kick ups about XE and F-type sub-frame corrosion that have been mentioned in our magazine.
Going ali certainly has better corrosion control as a feature as well as a 40% weight reduction when viewed against steel. That can only but help. Presently I feel my move from S-type to X350 was a wise one. Perhaps that in itself will make my £8k purchase better value in as much as I see the 350 enjoying a much longer body shell life than the S-type could ever have hoped to achieve. Unless steel cars are kept like that of Doug and of course our late friend, Phil May (Oldtimer) under very strict maintenance and storeage conditions and with limited exposure to road going contaminates, then I`m afraid that the time has come to say that the S-type has begun to enter the extinction lane. Those now wishing to buy an S-type need to be exceptionally vigilant at under floor level and to expect to have to view a great many vehicles in their search for a sound vehicle.
What must concern us are new comers on the scene buying old S-types, doing basic maintenance, putting the car through its next MOT and then finding themselves with a pile of trouble and rot. In effect, having acquired perhaps the remains of my old S-type from the East London guys in the banger trade! Here we go again!! Bangernomics at its best.....
So the gribble worm strikes deeply at the S-type now. Its best years have been had. I`ve enjoyed them but now its time to move on. Whilst corrosion repairs are indeed possible, one has to ask...is it ever worth it? Time for an ali car and give oneself a fighting chance.
Mike
X350 Co-ordinator
2004 XJR
2004 XJR
Re: Another S Type Bites the Rust?
All point's taken Mike, but there are other marks of which I won't mention that don't seem to suffer as badly as our Jags.
It's 2018 and and we have got corrosion issue's with the XE and The F Type.
Jeff
It's 2018 and and we have got corrosion issue's with the XE and The F Type.
Jeff
S Type 2.7d SE Auto 2004 Now sold but still a lover of older Jags.
Previous Jaguars.
1967 3.8 S Type.
Series 1 XJ 4.2
Series 2 XJ 4.2
Previous Jaguars.
1967 3.8 S Type.
Series 1 XJ 4.2
Series 2 XJ 4.2
Re: Another S Type Bites the Rust?
I think Mike's point about manufacturers not being interested in vehicles having a long life is the salient point here. Governments are backing this up with scrappage schemes, which in my view are bad for the environment. Surely there is less environmental impact in making products that can last and be maintained, rather than the continuous replacement and recycling.
I have someone possibly interested in saving this lovely car, so fingers crossed.
Regards,
Steve
I have someone possibly interested in saving this lovely car, so fingers crossed.
Regards,
Steve
2002 S-Type R, Black, 18" Zeus Alloys
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